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Title: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on July 27, 2013, 04:49:42 PM
Don't mind me....
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Blewts recipe with drops....

FVT Clone
Yields 1 10ml bottle

1 ml FV Flavoring
9 ml Premixed Base*
3 drops TA**

*I mix my base at around 14mg. 7 ml of 100 mg PG base in a 50ml graduated cylinder and then fill it the rest of the way with VG thinned with a little distilled water
**this is regular TA cut 50/50 with PGA, so it's easier to work with. It's really strong shit but I use 4 drops per 10 ml (Yes. I recommend 3 drops for starters, but you can do 4 if you want it to punch you in the fucking face). TPA TA should work fine, but be sure to cut it with the Everclear.

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Gonna try turning this into a real recipe...  No drops allowed...
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Guess at 40 drops per ml to get it all in the same units.

40 drops FVT flavor
360 drops nic premixed
3 drops TA 50/50 PGA
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403

40/403 = .099
360/403 =  .893
3/403=  .007

so the TA 50/50 is less than 1 percent, call it 3/4 percent.

about the smallest amount I can measure accurately is 1/10 ml, which sounds like a little too much for a 10 ml batch.

Thinking I need to cut the TA some more or try a 30 ml batch @ .25 ml TA....

more pondering later..
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Sedateme on July 27, 2013, 05:09:21 PM
Have a 3ml syringe? Drip flavoring into it until it hits the 1ml mark (counting the drops of course), then squirt the flavoring back into the bottle. You only have to do it once, no guessing needed.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: KilgoreTrout on July 27, 2013, 05:50:28 PM
I use a push-button variable micropipette with disposable tips.

Bitches. :D
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on July 27, 2013, 06:38:24 PM
Bah.  I don't know how big Blewt's drops were.  But yeah, I'm going to try it with the faget drops first.  At the moment my fucking TA isn't even in a dropper bottle.  Ima gettin there.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on July 27, 2013, 10:23:41 PM
Ho Lee Fuk.  TA everywhere.  I think the Universe doesn't want me to DIY.  :'(
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: KilgoreTrout on July 27, 2013, 10:57:01 PM
Those little vials are a fucking bitch. I have a couple of them around here somewhere........
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: junquedujour on July 28, 2013, 07:41:15 AM
I use a push-button variable micropipette with disposable tips.

Bitches. :D

link please.

Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: KilgoreTrout on July 28, 2013, 04:30:14 PM
I use a push-button variable micropipette with disposable tips.

Bitches. :D

link please.



I "borrowed" mine from work. I have 2 of them. One goes from 0-1ml in 10ul increments, and the other goes from 0-10mls in .1ml increments.
They were like $75 each. I just grab a handful of tips when I need them.

I see they have a few on ebay, but most of them are only micro. ie: like 0-1ml or something.

Here's  (http://www.usabluebook.com/p-276693-micro-pipettor-variable-1-to-10-ml.aspx)the 1-10ml

This one (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Thermo-Finnpipette-pipette-pipet-variable-volume-1-5-ml-tip-ejector-/190838257322?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2c6ed8b6aa) is 1-5ml but it's a nicer used one.

Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: junquedujour on July 28, 2013, 06:37:57 PM
thanks.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: KilgoreTrout on July 28, 2013, 06:45:58 PM
Yeah, they're pretty expensive.

I also use 2ml and 10ml serological pipettes (the individually wrapped ones) with either a vacuum ball or a thumbwheel/trigger type.

But....getting those 88c 12ml cow syringes from the feedstore is just as easy. Needle on for pg, needle off for vg.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: junquedujour on July 28, 2013, 08:08:57 PM
i don't mix enough to justify that cost. my NP gave me a bunch of syringes & needles, but the largest needle is only 18ga. doesn't work well with vg. i am going to find some 14ga blunts and order those. i may even check with the pharmacy here and see if they have a few.

i got the 100mg vg nic from the ejuice4u place. it is a very, very light amber color. this is first time that i've gotten nic that was in a clear jug so i could see the color. i mixed one 30ml of juice, but have not tried it, yet.  it didn't have any funky smell to it, so i guess it's okay.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: KilgoreTrout on July 28, 2013, 08:28:39 PM
Let me know how it tastes, I might just get a bit of that.

I mix quite a bit of juice at a time. 3 or 4 100ml batches, usually. You should definitely check out the feed store for those 12ml syringes. They're pretty awesome. They have these huge stainless needles....maybe 8 gauge? Luer-lock type, too, so they're easy to clean.
If you want me to pick up a couple for you, I can. I drive right past the store every day on my way to work. It's like 88c for the syringe and about a buck for the needle.
Obviously it would free for you, though. :)
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: junquedujour on July 28, 2013, 08:40:31 PM
i just looked thru the bag that she gave me and she put 2 20cc luer lock syringes in there. nice. that should work for my little batches.  but, i would take a couple of the lower gauge needles, since you're offering.

Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: KilgoreTrout on July 28, 2013, 09:02:59 PM
That's cool. 

What gauge would you say this needle is?  Do you think it would fit on your 20cc?


(http://spaceciggysforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi138.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fq258%2Fprotectedbyglock%2FIMG-20130728-01450.jpg&hash=b8490763d12035c8330465a1da02c8a9)
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: junquedujour on July 28, 2013, 09:21:42 PM
WOW! that thing is huge! ha! i have no idea. :-/ drawing vg nic must be like a hot knife thru butter.

just now trying the juice i mixed with the new stuff. seems okay to me. if you order from there, don't forget to use that 20% off code, Vapeatron20. i don't remember when it ends.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Cappadoc on July 28, 2013, 09:25:05 PM
That's cool. 

What gauge would you say this needle is?  Do you think it would fit on your 20cc?


(http://spaceciggysforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi138.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fq258%2Fprotectedbyglock%2FIMG-20130728-01450.jpg&hash=b8490763d12035c8330465a1da02c8a9)

That looks like a 12 or 14g- 14 is more common. All luer locks are the same attachment.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: junquedujour on July 28, 2013, 09:27:34 PM
great! thanks Cappadoc!
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: KilgoreTrout on July 28, 2013, 09:35:02 PM
I don't care what everyone says about you, doc..... you're sorta useful sometimes. :D

Here's the difference between a 20g and the big fucker (for research purposes).


(http://spaceciggysforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi138.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fq258%2Fprotectedbyglock%2FIMG-20130728-01452.jpg&hash=b12de5b1996b3f370be70c85bb041307)





Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Cappadoc on July 28, 2013, 11:33:15 PM
Kiss my ass, KT.

Given the second pic, Ima say 14 g.
Anything bigger than 18 should pull up VG.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: junquedujour on July 29, 2013, 06:43:56 AM
I don't care what everyone says about you, doc..... you're sorta useful sometimes. :D

Here's the difference between a 20g and the big fucker (for research purposes).


(http://spaceciggysforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi138.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fq258%2Fprotectedbyglock%2FIMG-20130728-01452.jpg&hash=b12de5b1996b3f370be70c85bb041307)







whoaaaaaaaaaaa! you really do have a big one.  :)
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Cappadoc on July 29, 2013, 08:02:09 AM
I don't care what everyone says about you, doc..... you're sorta useful sometimes. :D

Here's the difference between a 20g and the big fucker (for research purposes).


(http://spaceciggysforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi138.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fq258%2Fprotectedbyglock%2FIMG-20130728-01452.jpg&hash=b12de5b1996b3f370be70c85bb041307)







whoaaaaaaaaaaa! you really do have a big one.  :)

Christ, junque! Your going to send him into a 3 day bender of fappery and narcissism with replies like that.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: KilgoreTrout on July 29, 2013, 08:29:09 AM
You forgot to say "no homo", doc. :D

And yes, junque, yes I do. I'm glad someone noticed. Lol..
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Dopey on July 29, 2013, 08:32:29 AM
Are you trolling me with that glassware, Mr. Trout? :D
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: KilgoreTrout on July 29, 2013, 08:50:43 AM
Haha...possibly. :D
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: junquedujour on July 29, 2013, 10:26:59 AM
hey Kilgore - hold off on sending anything. the malemate and i have some running around to do today and i'm going to check this orscheln store we have here for one of your "BIG ones" ;-D
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: KilgoreTrout on July 29, 2013, 10:48:41 AM
10-4. One less stop to make on my way home today. :D

If you can't find anything, just let me know. Like I said, I drive right by the place twice/day.
 
They sell cattle-prods, too, btw. Lol...
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: junquedujour on July 29, 2013, 02:02:06 PM
the biggest they have is 16ga, 1.5 inches long.

now i know this question should probably be handled via pm, but how long is yours? 
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Cappadoc on July 29, 2013, 05:53:12 PM
 Just get a room, you two.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: KilgoreTrout on July 29, 2013, 06:56:18 PM
the biggest they have is 16ga, 1.5 inches long.

now i know this question should probably be handled via pm, but how long is yours? 


The stabby part is 2" long.  With the luer lock part, it's 2.75".
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: junquedujour on July 29, 2013, 06:58:52 PM
ok. i want yours then.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: KilgoreTrout on July 29, 2013, 07:03:47 PM
Ok, I will see if they have anything tomorrow that's even bigger. :D
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: junquedujour on July 29, 2013, 07:55:52 PM
be still my heart! 
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: KilgoreTrout on July 29, 2013, 08:17:05 PM
lol...

Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Dopey on July 30, 2013, 08:07:13 AM
Fappers gonna fap.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: USAGeorge on July 30, 2013, 03:51:31 PM
Why struggle with tiny measurements......Take the base 1ml and mix it with 10ml of pg/vg.......Now that it's diluted to a more  measurable solution proceed with mixing it with the nic base.......
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on July 30, 2013, 04:39:28 PM
I thought about that George, I may do that when I get some more TA.  Right now all I have is in the fucking carpet.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Blewt on July 30, 2013, 05:03:18 PM
Fuck, mj.  I've been outta town on vacation and haven't checked here in a while.  Those tiny TA bottles are 3ml and the diluted mix is 6ml.  It should just be mixed half and half with Everclear.  Dump a whole little bottle into a dropper bottle and add 3ml of PGA/Everclear.  I'm about to buy a bottle of Everclear tonight and test this method since the shit in the 6ml bottle makes cloudy juice.  Gonna see if a new mix is clearer.

ETA:  I'll figure out how many drops of PGA are in a ml and work up the amount of TA mix until it's .25 or .5ml of solution.  I need a more exact recipe for larger batches, too.  I'll let you know what I figure out.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on July 30, 2013, 08:40:07 PM
After mj attempts DIY juice.

(http://spaceciggysforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.oilspillnews.net%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2011%2F01%2F1295762420-68.jpg&hash=92767561cd53dd0b3eae3c173c680c34)
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: junquedujour on July 30, 2013, 09:06:42 PM
After mj attempts DIY juice.

(http://spaceciggysforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.oilspillnews.net%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2011%2F01%2F1295762420-68.jpg&hash=92767561cd53dd0b3eae3c173c680c34)

hey! at least you have people to clean up your mess.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Blewt on July 30, 2013, 11:45:22 PM
Ugh.  That sucks.  The shit is nasty.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Dopey on July 31, 2013, 07:34:46 AM
That's how my mouth feels
After mj attempts DIY juice.

(http://spaceciggysforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.oilspillnews.net%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2011%2F01%2F1295762420-68.jpg&hash=92767561cd53dd0b3eae3c173c680c34)

That's how my mouth feels after some DIY.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Blewt on August 01, 2013, 04:55:46 PM
I mixed my 3 ml bottle of 100% TA with 27 ml of PGA to make a 10% solution.  It's much more manageable.  1.5 ml of 10% works well in a 30 ml bottle.  I bumped my FV ratio up, too.  2 ml/10 ml mix, so 6 ml in a 30 bottle.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on August 01, 2013, 05:36:52 PM
100% TA is what you started with, for realz....?
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Blewt on August 03, 2013, 01:45:40 AM
The tiny 3 ml bottles are 100%, so yeah.  Cut it with 3 ml PGA to get it flowing and then added 27 ml more to get it to 10%.  Makes it easier to deal with.  Heating it helped, too.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on August 03, 2013, 09:16:01 AM
K, just trying to beat the full details out of you bro.  I'm going to order more TA.  This time I'm mixing OUTSIDE!
Title: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Blewt on August 03, 2013, 08:26:21 PM
Actually, taking the 6 ml 50% solution to 10% requires 24 ml of PGA not 27.  That would give you 33 ml total.  I r gud at maths. 
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: junquedujour on August 10, 2013, 12:33:06 PM
Ok, I will see if they have anything tomorrow that's even bigger. :D

i got your BIG present today.  thank you!
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Blewt on August 10, 2013, 03:25:56 PM
The stabby part...

^ My wife's nickname for my penis.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: KilgoreTrout on August 10, 2013, 06:50:45 PM


i got your BIG present today.  thank you!

You're quite welcome. Sorry it took like a week and a half. 
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Cappadoc on October 02, 2013, 12:30:04 AM
Blewt and mj, are you talking about those little tiny vials of TA from bluemist/azure vaping?
Or the stuff from TFA?
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on October 02, 2013, 08:39:58 AM
Never ordered from bluemist, but Tobacco Absolute can be got from many sources.  Most ecig stores actually get theirs from TFA and bill it as such.  Yes, tiny vials, a little goes long way.  I love the stuff.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Cappadoc on October 02, 2013, 10:17:49 AM
I believe that TA I sweat is missing from most juices. I know Puresmoker used it. I have played a little with it. Might try the FVT clone recipe.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: junquedujour on January 09, 2014, 09:21:05 AM
for you mj, just in case you misplace Blewt's method again ... or trash the email you sent to yourself:

http://www.vapersforum.com/showthread.php?49983-Tobacco-Absolute-shortage&p=1189272#post1189272

Quote from: Blewt;1189272
What recipe?  The FVT clone?  It should be in this thread (http://"http://www.vapersforum.com/showthread.php?46282-DIY-Recipes").  Too bad Bert won't sticky that motherfucker...

ETA:  Nevermind.  That recipe is kinda jacked up with drops.  This is what I use for a 30 ml bottle.  My base is 14 mg, so it comes out to around 12.

1.5 ml TA 10% solution
6 ml FV
22.5 ml base

It's really strong and can be toned down some.  I am going to try 1 ml of TA solution next go around and see how it goes.  Also I usually just do 5 ml of FV so I can stretch these bottles out a little.

Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on January 09, 2014, 10:34:46 AM
Thanks Junque!
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: KilgoreTrout on January 09, 2014, 05:01:42 PM
Have you tried other juices, mj? :D

Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on January 10, 2014, 08:46:31 AM
Yeah, the other juices all suck.  I finally made a batch of my own last night with Blewt's recipe.  I'm skeered to vape it.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: KilgoreTrout on January 10, 2014, 09:22:53 AM
Lol... Is it a fear of the juice itself, or is it a fear of failure? :D

Ya know, a good vanilla tobacco doesn't seem like it would be too hard. Do you like caramel tobaccos or nutty ones?

Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on January 10, 2014, 11:02:01 AM
I dunno, it's weird.  My DIY attempts past menthol and peppermint have always been a disaster.  It will probably be fine, I did everything in a sane manner, just may need to have the TA or vanilla amount raised or lowered.  I'll let is sit a day or two and then try it. 

I like caramel tobacco for about the first hour then I think it is too sweet.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: KilgoreTrout on January 10, 2014, 11:26:04 AM
I know what you mean, but most of them I can vape all day as long as it's not just caramel. I like nutty tobacco flavors, too. I just got some pistachio to play around with and I'm hoping it's good.

Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on January 10, 2014, 11:28:25 AM
Oh yeah, forgot that part, I don't like the nutty ones.  I think you like the ones that are most real ciggy, I just want a little of that harshness, but not much.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: KilgoreTrout on January 10, 2014, 11:55:47 AM
Could be. But the tpa double ry4 is pretty good, as is their 555. And I don't think they're too ciglike. Maybe they are, but they're pretty sweet.

Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on January 10, 2014, 12:37:22 PM
I might try some ry4 again someday.  I dunno if I've ever given 555 a fair shake.  I hate anything that tastes anything like a Camel.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: junquedujour on January 10, 2014, 01:35:39 PM
i don't detect caramel in 555. more peanut-like to me.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: KilgoreTrout on January 10, 2014, 03:02:35 PM
He said camel, but you're right. I like both ry4 and 555.

Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on January 10, 2014, 04:04:34 PM
Bleeve it or not, I'm keeping up.  That's why I wouldn't like 555 either, nuts.  I had some RY4 once from BWB that I probably could have liked if it had about half the caramel.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: junquedujour on January 10, 2014, 04:42:36 PM
He said camel, but you're right. I like both ry4 and 555.



/me THUNKS her head.   
sheeeez.

mj, do you have several flavors on hand right now? or just the fixins for the fvt?
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: junquedujour on January 10, 2014, 04:43:23 PM
and i'm stone sober. :'(
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on January 10, 2014, 05:03:16 PM
I got menthol, peppermint, and FVT fixins.  That's all.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: KilgoreTrout on January 10, 2014, 05:50:39 PM
I read it the same way the first time, junque. Lol..

I got menthol, peppermint, and FVT fixins.  That's all.

Well right there's your problem.

Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on January 10, 2014, 05:54:38 PM
No it's almost overwhelming, I need to throw some of this shit away, way too many choices.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Cappadoc on January 10, 2014, 06:20:19 PM
The hangsen flavors are easy and decent.
I like the RY1 and the Virginia. Dunhill is also good. I add menthol to everything.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: KilgoreTrout on January 10, 2014, 06:29:44 PM
You need an adjustable air kayfun, a couple evods (w/ an adapter), some 30g kanthal, hemp, tfa double ry4, 555, vanilla, caramel, tobacco absolute, and a few other random flavors.

Then throw all your other shit away. :D
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: KilgoreTrout on January 10, 2014, 06:31:15 PM
And yes, the hangsen flavors are pretty good. And simple to mix.

Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on January 10, 2014, 06:39:28 PM
No.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: KilgoreTrout on January 10, 2014, 07:30:47 PM
Yes. And that's final.

Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Sedateme on January 10, 2014, 07:54:30 PM
Shit mj, I got you beat. All I've used in the past 18 months or so has been 1 single bottle of flavoring. The same bottle at that. You have too much hubris :D
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on January 10, 2014, 08:07:15 PM
What do you want, a damn cookie?
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: KilgoreTrout on January 10, 2014, 08:08:44 PM
Is it pear, sedate? I think I remember you liking pear.

Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Sedateme on January 10, 2014, 08:11:42 PM
I started on TPA pear, but the everlasting bottle has been inawera banana. Bought a big bottle, and the shit mixes at less than 2%, so it's lasted quite a while.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Kase on January 10, 2014, 09:07:00 PM
Wtf is FVT anyway?
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Sedateme on January 10, 2014, 09:08:20 PM
Some shitty juice from madvapes :D
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Frank the Skank on January 10, 2014, 11:56:05 PM
It's french vanilla and tobacco.

It's like mixing Kool-Aid, if you can't get that right, then it's likely time to take a bath with a plugged in toaster.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: smileymooreville on January 11, 2014, 12:13:48 AM
Hi Frankie:-)
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: thinman on January 11, 2014, 01:00:46 AM
You doing alright Smiley? You back at work?
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on January 11, 2014, 01:05:02 AM
I dunno Frank, the last time I tried to take a bath it was like a 6K insurance claim.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: smileymooreville on January 12, 2014, 11:39:04 AM
You doing alright Smiley? You back at work?
yeah, finally ;)
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: smileymooreville on January 12, 2014, 11:39:47 AM
I dunno Frank, the last time I tried to take a bath it was like a 6K insurance claim.
was you that dirty???
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: warbdan on January 12, 2014, 06:07:22 PM
MJ, I've been working on some vanilla baccos. Will you be my guinea pig?
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on January 12, 2014, 07:22:37 PM
was you that dirty???

I didn't even get wet.

MJ, I've been working on some vanilla baccos. Will you be my guinea pig?

Dude, you so do not want an asshole like me as a tester.  I take forever to try stuff and I hate almost everything.  But it's nice of you to offer.  :) You should try mamu, she's a vanilla bacco freak too.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: warbdan on January 12, 2014, 09:24:21 PM
I didn't even get wet.

Dude, you so do not want an asshole like me as a tester.  I take forever to try stuff and I hate almost everything.  But it's nice of you to offer.  :) You should try mamu, she's a vanilla bacco freak too.

LOL! I figure if I can get a mix a crotchety old asshat like you likes, then it's good :D

Ah, well if you change your mind, hit me up.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on January 19, 2014, 12:51:26 AM
WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY too strong Blewt!
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: OCD on January 19, 2014, 11:42:47 AM
I got in some FVT and have to say I am not a big fan, it alright but nothing like what I had in my mind. Now I had been using MVs Butter Rum and really like it but after 8 or 10mls it gunks the coil and starts turning the eLiquid really dark or even tightens the draw. What I have found though is mixing the two 50/50 makes for a flavor I really like and doesnt kill my carto in two or three days. Still hard on them as darker liquids tend to be but it is a great contrast flavor for my main vape.

Main vape is still FA Watermelon at 20% 60/40 16mg, I get on average 30mls of this through a cartomizer though sometimes I forget to change it out and go a lot longer.

Super easy to mix 1 part 100mg in PG, 2 parts PG and 2 parts VG for the base then 4 parts base to 1 part flavor. Since it is all parts you can use anything to measure with. Over a year and half now on this flavor and quite a few converts came aboard the vaping train because of it. I now mix it in 500ml batches that dont last long. One of the great things about this flavor is it never gunks a coil, liquid is clear and stays clear for the duration.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Blewt on January 31, 2014, 08:40:57 AM
WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY too strong Blewt!

I'm just now seeing this.  I like it flavorful :)  Did you find a mix you like better?
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on February 01, 2014, 02:35:00 AM
I'm just now seeing this.  I like it flavorful :)  Did you find a mix you like better?
 

I lost interest again, its still sitting there waiting for me to cut it down.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Blewt on February 01, 2014, 03:01:30 AM
I pretty much vaped that FVT recipe non stop for at least nine months.  I just mixed up some Vanilla Custard and Strawberry Colada that pretty much rock, but I'm still all about the FVT.  It's definitely not for the faint of heart.  My shit is full flavored, yo.  This ain't goddamn madvapes.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on February 08, 2014, 11:53:25 PM
Alright, Blewt, I just cut it 50% with unflavored nic, and it still scares me a little.  I'll try it the next time I change a carto. :)
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Blewt on February 09, 2014, 12:49:30 AM
Alright, Blewt, I just cut it 50% with unflavored nic, and it still scares me a little.  I'll try it the next time I change a carto. :)

Weird.  I wonder if your TA is stronger than that stuff you sent me. I should send you a bottle of my mix and see if they are the same.  You might just be a wuss, though.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Cappadoc on February 09, 2014, 09:11:17 AM
You might just be a wuss, though.

That seems likely.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on February 09, 2014, 10:13:36 AM
Hey, I likes what I likes.  I mean it was bad strong to me, like turning my stomach strong.  It could be just the different TA.  Maybe it is super potent.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Blewt on February 09, 2014, 12:29:10 PM
It's easy to start small with the 10% solution but you will have to use *gasp* DROPS... and I know how much you hate those.

Or just go with .5ml of TA solution instead of 1.5 and work your way up.  I'd leave the FV where it is. 

I have several local folks hooked on the FVT.  No puking yet. 
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: The REALac0j on February 09, 2014, 02:23:00 PM
And we dont buy the awesome, OG, FVT from madvapes because??????????
Has anyone saved even $10 yet?
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Blewt on February 09, 2014, 02:39:40 PM
It's not about saving $, tard.   It's about sustainability and customization.  Duh. 
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on February 10, 2014, 02:02:31 AM
Alright Blewt, just fired up a new tank and carto with the 50% cut I mentioned earlier, and BINGO, not exact MV FVT but awfully close

Could be four things going on here I think:

1) the TA from my ETSY supplier may be stronger
2) My TA concentrate is made with PG, not PGA
3) The nic I'm using is kinda old, it has been in the fridge since march 2011 (ya really)
4) I'm a wimp

Anyway, I'm damn pleased, I can't see how there is anything else in this other than what we've discussed and I feel a lot more confident about being able to make it from now on, I just may need to do some test batches after I get on fresh nic and\or different TA before I make gallons!

 :peng: :peng: :peng:
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Blewt on February 10, 2014, 02:31:56 AM
Right on, man.  :thumbup: 

I fucking hate smileys right now   :'(
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: junquedujour on February 10, 2014, 06:55:30 AM
Alright Blewt, just fired up a new tank and carto with the 50% cut I mentioned earlier, and BINGO, not exact MV FVT but awfully close

Could be four things going on here I think:

1) the TA from my ETSY supplier may be stronger
2) My TA concentrate is made with PG, not PGA
3) The nic I'm using is kinda old, it has been in the fridge since march 2011 (ya really)
4) I'm a wimp

Anyway, I'm damn pleased, I can't see how there is anything else in this other than what we've discussed and I feel a lot more confident about being able to make it from now on, I just may need to do some test batches after I get on fresh nic and\or different TA before I make gallons!

 :peng: :peng: :peng:

would you put up the link to your etsy TA supplier please?
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on February 10, 2014, 07:01:44 AM
I sorry, junque, this is pure, here is http://www.etsy.com/listing/114107518/tobacco-absolute-nicotania-tabacum
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: junquedujour on February 10, 2014, 07:46:51 AM
thanks!
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: warbdan on February 10, 2014, 09:05:35 AM
I thought we quit using TA because of the ketones in it. I swear I read that it has ketones in it somewhere.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on February 10, 2014, 10:40:47 AM
Warb, the only thing I quit using was ECF.  That fixed shit like that really well.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: jkmtwo on February 10, 2014, 11:36:57 AM
What the fuck Warb  are you one of those Liberal pussies?

Shut up taptalk

Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: warbdan on February 10, 2014, 12:03:12 PM
Warb, the only thing I quit using was ECF.  That fixed shit like that really well.

Wasn't there. Ive been banned since 2010 :)


What the fuck Warb  are you one of those Liberal pussies?

Shut up taptalk

What the fuck ever. Are you still ragging?

ETA: No, I'm the furthest from Liberal you'll ever find. I'm all black and yellow, biotch.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: jkmtwo on February 10, 2014, 12:15:43 PM
What the fuck ever. Are you still ragging?

ETA: No, I'm the furthest from Liberal you'll ever find. I'm all black and yellow, biotch.

MY NIGGA!!!! I was just checkin yo :D

Shut up taptalk

Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Blewt on February 10, 2014, 02:16:58 PM
Y'all are weird. 

I haven't  heard anything about TA having ketones in it, but it doesn't surprise me. 
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: warbdan on February 10, 2014, 02:18:56 PM
Y'all are weird. 

I haven't  heard anything about TA having ketones in it, but it doesn't surprise me.

Could just be "trace amounts" too.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Blewt on February 10, 2014, 02:25:19 PM
I do the ketosis diet from time to time and have some "ketosticks" for urinalysis.   I never detect ketones unless I go carb/sugar free for a day or two.  So yeah.  Maybe trace amounts. 
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: warbdan on February 10, 2014, 02:34:11 PM
I do the ketosis diet from time to time and have some "ketosticks" for urinalysis.   I never detect ketones unless I go carb/sugar free for a day or two.  So yeah.  Maybe trace amounts.

There ya go :-)
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on February 10, 2014, 02:43:36 PM
All this shit is generally extracted using solvents, including the raw nic we use.  We are living science experiments, all I know is I can breathe, smell, don't wheeze, and don't cough up nasty shit every day anymore.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: jkmtwo on February 10, 2014, 02:47:24 PM
My shits have gotten kind of greasy lately, I'm thinking that Vaping is to blame.

Shut up taptalk

Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: warbdan on February 10, 2014, 04:58:40 PM
My shits have gotten kind of greasy lately, I'm thinking that Vaping is to blame.

Shut up taptalk

TMI
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on February 10, 2014, 05:04:39 PM
Try a bit more VG in your mix jk.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Blewt on February 10, 2014, 05:40:18 PM
My shits have gotten kind of greasy lately, I'm thinking that Vaping is to blame.

Shut up taptalk

That might be an added benefit if you take a bunch of oxy.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: jkmtwo on February 10, 2014, 05:56:55 PM
Perhaps....I haven't had Oxy in years...do they still make that shit?

Shut up taptalk

Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: KilgoreTrout on February 10, 2014, 07:49:31 PM
Try a bit more VG in your mix jk.
Or a little less ky in his ass.

Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: jkmtwo on February 10, 2014, 07:58:57 PM
Or a little less ky in his ass.

I knew that was coming, I was let down that it took this long.

Shut up taptalk

Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on February 20, 2014, 08:49:53 PM
Alright, I mixed again.....

.75 ml TA 10% solution
4 ml FV
25.25 ml base

Now she sits a bit....
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Blewt on February 20, 2014, 09:58:58 PM
This is still my favorite juice and I still use twice that amount of TA in mine :D

I hate to keep pounding the ultrasonic but the darker this juice gets the more I like it.  Killian's Red is the best color. 
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on February 20, 2014, 10:31:06 PM
Remember my list of mitigating factors....  I do like the TA but the first shot was just gaggable.  I'm probly a bit light this time, just mixing 30 mls again, I may have to push back up some...  I'm gonna find my spot, plenty of time with like 1.5 liters of the real deal in the fridge now...

I have the real thing at Killians red color just from sitting at room temp a couple weeks....
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on February 25, 2014, 08:59:27 PM
She looks a match, mine smells more vanilla, MV smells more alcohol....

ETA:  This is fucking excellent, gonna go up a skosh on TA next batch and I've got it.

(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-fDqtl16gO-k/Uw0AXBGbEdI/AAAAAAAAJlk/IjJJGkf96TU/s640/photo.JPG)
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Blewt on February 25, 2014, 09:27:03 PM
That's exactly what it's supposed to look like.  Leave the top off of the MV one for a day or two and that shit will evaporate.  You can even mark the side of the bottle and see how much goes away.  In a 180ml bottle I lost about 3mm overnight... since the TA is in a PGA solution it makes sense.

Glad it worked out for you finally.  I've been vaping it for year.  I'm about to mix up a batch right now :D
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Cappadoc on February 25, 2014, 10:39:04 PM
She looks a match, mine smells more vanilla, MV smells more alcohol....

ETA:  This is fucking excellent, gonna go up a skosh on TA next batch and I've got it.

(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-fDqtl16gO-k/Uw0AXBGbEdI/AAAAAAAAJlk/IjJJGkf96TU/s640/photo.JPG) (https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-fDqtl16gO-k/Uw0AXBGbEdI/AAAAAAAAJlk/IjJJGkf96TU/s640/photo.JPG)




I am disappointed in you, mj.
DIY?
Next you'll buy an RBA.
Make your own light bulbs indeed.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Blewt on February 25, 2014, 11:57:55 PM
I think this was mostly a test, doc.  Just to see if he could make it if he had to.  We're in no danger of a new recipe thread from mj.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on February 26, 2014, 07:01:05 AM
Apocalypse sustainability prep, Doc, very limited scope of my daily vape.  Like you shoulda done with your fave before they quit making it. :D
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: KilgoreTrout on February 26, 2014, 08:10:49 AM
Nah, doc is right. It's natural progression.
Mechs and bulbs, man. Mechs and fucking bulbs.  :D






Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on February 26, 2014, 08:17:55 AM
Fuck doc and his "truth". :D
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Blewt on February 26, 2014, 08:36:23 AM
Just wait until they clamp down on online carto sales.  Mj'll be rockin a Kayfun in no time. 
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on February 26, 2014, 08:38:00 AM
Rebuildable carto may be an avenue I actually explore...  After I get my FVT in perfect alignment.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: KilgoreTrout on February 26, 2014, 08:40:21 AM
Just wait until they clamp down on online carto sales.  Mj'll be rockin a Kayfun in no time.
They're already talking about it. :D

Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on February 26, 2014, 08:45:19 AM
 :troll:
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: KilgoreTrout on February 26, 2014, 08:47:12 AM
Yeah, they'll probably just go completely extinct before the law passes next year.  Hehe....

Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: thinman on February 26, 2014, 09:04:32 AM
Just wait until they clamp down on online carto sales.  Mj'll be rockin a Kayfun in no time.

If he can still get one.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on February 26, 2014, 09:22:03 AM
Y'all should really pick on somebody you actually have a hope of trolling.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Blewt on February 26, 2014, 09:42:44 AM
Stock up, man.  Those Boges are gonna be good as gold one day. 
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on February 26, 2014, 09:44:23 AM
Cartos as currency post-apocalypse.  I like it.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Cappadoc on February 26, 2014, 05:42:57 PM
Apocalypse sustainability prep, Doc, very limited scope of my daily vape.  Like you shoulda done with your fave before they quit making it. :D


I did stock up on it. I have about 800mL left. Never saw anyone DIY it, though.
Fuck it. I found a decent replacement with Hangsen Virginia and RY1 mixed with menthol.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on February 28, 2014, 11:03:17 PM
Cumulative update:

#1

1.5 ml TA 10% solution
6 ml Madvapes FV flavor
22.5 ml nic 70/30 14mg base

Fucking nasty puke strong, think it may be due to my TA supplier being stronger than Blewt's
https://www.etsy.com/listing/114107518/tobacco-absolute-nicotania-tabacum

#2

.75 ml TA 10% solution
4 ml Madvapes FV flavor
25.25 ml 70/30 14mg base

Delicious, needs a bit more TA.  Alternating between this and real Madvapes FVT, I think they have knocked their FV ratio down since I started vaping it, I used to taste it much more, like this...

#3

1 ml TA 10% solution
4 ml Madvapes FV flavor
25 ml 70/30 14mg base

Letting this sit a few days now.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on March 05, 2014, 07:46:15 PM
Vaping #3 now.  It's either perfect or needs more TA still.  If it needs more TA that means the reason I was actually repulsed by #1 was too much FV flavor.  I think.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Blewt on March 06, 2014, 01:13:01 AM
I'm glad to see you sticking with this project.  I've counted several fucks.  Impressive  :thumbup:
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on March 06, 2014, 07:04:33 AM
Yeah, I got my shit organized and am doing one thing at a time.  Not my usually blitzkrieg multitasker approach, but it  was apparently necessary to pay more attention.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on March 08, 2014, 05:11:53 PM
#4

1.25 ml TA 10% solution
3.75 ml Madvapes FV flavor
25 ml 70/30 14mg base
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on March 13, 2014, 06:51:40 PM
The perfectionist in me wants to adjust this a little more.  Fuck that guy, he's crazy.  I'm callin this bitch a recipe, its good.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Blewt on March 13, 2014, 06:55:59 PM
That's good news.  Now you can just stock up on all of the ingredients and laugh at all of the other whining addicts during the Zombie Apocalypse.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Cappadoc on March 13, 2014, 07:01:26 PM
The perfectionist in me wants to adjust this a little more.  Fuck that guy, he's crazy.  I'm callin this bitch a recipe, its good.


Your DIY is faget.
Mine, however, is awesome.


Go make a fucking lightbulb,
You have been assimilated.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on March 13, 2014, 07:15:45 PM
I dunno if I feel like making a lightbub this weekend.  This new batch of cartos is mighty fine.  But you did remind me of something else to throw the fuck away, this stupid 50 pound light I'm not putting back up in the backyard, so thank you for that.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Sedateme on March 13, 2014, 10:28:04 PM
I just bought a new set of pots and pans, and threw away the old shit. It was nice.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: jkmtwo on March 13, 2014, 10:29:52 PM
I just bought a new set of pots and pans, and threw away the old shit. It was nice.

You shoulda took them bitches to the scrap yard and got paid :D

ImagineMax preorder coming soon.

Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Sedateme on March 13, 2014, 10:33:35 PM
Shit, I doubt what they would have offered me would have paid for the gas to drive out there.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: jkmtwo on March 13, 2014, 10:36:32 PM
Likely, that's why you don't throw that shit away, you put it in a pile, with other shit headed for the scrap yard, and one Saturday you make it a project, and pocket a few hundred bucks.

ImagineMax preorder coming soon.

Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: jkmtwo on March 13, 2014, 10:37:19 PM
It helps if you have kids who can be good slave labor too.

ImagineMax preorder coming soon.

Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: warbdan on March 14, 2014, 12:19:45 AM
Who wants piles of old shit sitting around when the garbage truck runs every week?
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on March 14, 2014, 01:40:01 AM
Nice work Sedate.  It does feel gewd. 
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Blewt on March 14, 2014, 02:18:48 AM
Who wants piles of old shit sitting around when the garbage truck runs every week?

Pretty much... this.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: jkmtwo on March 14, 2014, 02:45:01 AM
Who wants piles of old shit sitting around when the garbage truck runs every week?

Sedate was bitching about something to do with paying taxes and taking care of a bunch of freeloaders or something, I think he's gonna make a thread, but maybe he got all tuckered out, I don't know, I'm just trying to help him with his money problems. :D

ImagineMax preorder coming soon.

Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: junquedujour on March 14, 2014, 05:57:12 AM
#4

1.25 ml TA 10% solution
3.75 ml Madvapes FV flavor
25 ml 70/30 14mg base

i did the percentages in the calc in case anyone else is interested in making various quantities - but mostly just cuz i wanted the recipe saved in my ejuicemeup:

madvapes french vanilla flavoring - 12.5%
tob. absolute @ 10% - 4.1%

Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on March 14, 2014, 07:05:38 AM
:) Ugly numbers, aren't they?  Ah well, I think I rather like making with the approximate mg rather than the perfect way.  Pulling that 100 mg bottle out all the time is annoying.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Sedateme on March 14, 2014, 07:52:28 AM
Sedate was bitching about something to do with paying taxes and taking care of a bunch of freeloaders or something, I think he's gonna make a thread, but maybe he got all tuckered out, I don't know, I'm just trying to help him with his money problems. :D

ImagineMax preorder coming soon.

I said I *would* make a thread bitching once I started having to pay in at tax time. My only current problem is deciding which new lawnmower to buy. I'm going to throw the old one the fuck away.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Blewt on March 14, 2014, 10:12:37 AM

i did the percentages in the calc in case anyone else is interested in making various quantities - but mostly just cuz i wanted the recipe saved in my ejuicemeup:

madvapes french vanilla flavoring - 12.5%
tob. absolute @ 10% - 4.1%

Thanks, Junque.  I never worked out the percentages. 

I like working with a diluted base too, mj.  I thank OCD for turning me on to that method.  I have a 30mg base for noobs and a 14mg base for me.  They give me pretty close to 24 and 12mg mixes and that's good enough for me. 
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: junquedujour on March 14, 2014, 01:47:15 PM
Thanks, Junque.  I never worked out the percentages. 

I like working with a diluted base too, mj.  I thank OCD for turning me on to that method.  I have a 30mg base for noobs and a 14mg base for me.  They give me pretty close to 24 and 12mg mixes and that's good enough for me.

no problem.
do you start up a lot of noobs?
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Blewt on March 14, 2014, 01:57:32 PM
Only the ones that are scared of the internet. 
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: team420 on March 14, 2014, 04:49:42 PM
Yeah... I used to do that shit too, but it became a lot more work than I cared for...  now I just tell them to get on the web and search, or keep fucking smoking....
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Blewt on March 14, 2014, 04:54:33 PM
To be honest, there are a half dozen people here locally that I sell juice to for one reason or another.  Either they don't want to buy stuff off the internet or they have tried other juice and they just like mine better.  There's a B&M close by, but mine's cheaper and it's all VG.  Plus the B&M only goes to 18mg and I start noobs off at 24mg so they can feel it.

It pays for my habit, so it's a wash.  I'm not trying to make any money off of it.  I have a real job for money.  I'm just providing a service to people I know and that I don't mind dealing with.  Call me a vendory cunt if you must :D
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: team420 on March 14, 2014, 05:39:43 PM
To be honest, there are a half dozen people here locally that I sell juice to for one reason or another.  Either they don't want to buy stuff off the internet or they have tried other juice and they just like mine better.  There's a B&M close by, but mine's cheaper and it's all VG.  Plus the B&M only goes to 18mg and I start noobs off at 24mg so they can feel it.

It pays for my habit, so it's a wash.  I'm not trying to make any money off of it.  I have a real job for money.  I'm just providing a service to people I know and that I don't mind dealing with.  Call me a vendory cunt if you must :D

Oh... SELL them juice...

Yeah... my friends all wanted shit for free.... 

Hence... go search, or keep smoking...

I used to start them off at 36mg tho...  I started with some dekang 18mg shit, and... it worked... but I still had cravings. Once I made my own 36mg I was done with the cravings.

ETA:  I did have a few that were willing to pay for juice, but they were all, "hey, can ya make this flavor, or that flavor" and it just got to be too much. I now have about 40 different flavorings that I'll likely never use.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Blewt on March 14, 2014, 06:17:57 PM
Yep.  It hasn't turned into a pain in my ass yet, so I'm still helping them out.  If it ever turns into work I'm sending them to the B&M and just telling them to deal with the shitty juice and the high prices.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: jkmtwo on March 14, 2014, 09:48:58 PM
Blewt=Spammy fuck of a vendor

ImagineMax preorder coming soon.

Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Blewt on March 14, 2014, 10:15:46 PM
Blewt=Spammy fuck of a vendor

ImagineMax preorder coming soon.

You know it.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: warbdan on March 14, 2014, 10:24:10 PM
Vendory cunt may just have to be my 1k title. I like it, lol.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: jkmtwo on March 14, 2014, 10:26:39 PM
What is this? Vendors Forum?

ImagineMax preorder coming soon.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Blewt on March 14, 2014, 10:31:59 PM
I wouldn't sell you fagets my delicious juice if you fucking begged me :D
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Cappadoc on March 14, 2014, 11:56:09 PM
I wouldn't sell you fagets my delicious juice if you fucking begged me :D


Pleaseeeeeeeeeee.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Blewt on March 14, 2014, 11:58:18 PM

Pleaseeeeeeeeeee.

Ok, fine.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Cappadoc on March 15, 2014, 06:35:37 AM
Ok, fine.


Nevermind.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: warbdan on March 15, 2014, 06:47:03 AM
Haha!
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: jkmtwo on March 15, 2014, 10:51:15 AM
I'm not sure Blewts bathtub is up to my standards of cleanliness for my ejuice.

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Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on March 15, 2014, 11:07:56 AM
Bathtub ejuice jokes.  Yeah, those are still funny.   :confused:
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Blewt on March 15, 2014, 12:10:12 PM
Oh, it ain't sterile.  That's for damn sure.  Hasn't killed anybody yet, though. 
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: jkmtwo on March 15, 2014, 12:11:17 PM
Bathtub ejuice jokes.  Yeah, those are still funny.   :confused:

It applies.

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Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on March 15, 2014, 12:19:42 PM
It's boring, like all noob stuff. 
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Blewt on March 15, 2014, 12:58:45 PM
Forevernoob lives up to his name. 
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: jkmtwo on March 15, 2014, 02:49:05 PM
Yew gize ken sook mah bawlz

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Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on March 17, 2014, 10:57:36 AM
DIAF, forevernoob.  BTW, MFS now has TA in larger quantities available at a more reasonable price, I just ordered some, will let y'all know what I think when it comes in.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: jkmtwo on March 17, 2014, 11:21:55 AM
Dick.

$95ish is a pretty decent price for 125 ml

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Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on March 17, 2014, 11:52:04 AM
Yeah, I ordered a small one to try, if it looks good I'll make a apocalypse buy.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: jkmtwo on March 17, 2014, 12:03:09 PM
If you say it's good, I'll buy it too. 125 ml of that shit is a fucking lifetime supply.

Be our Guinea pig Mj.

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Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on March 18, 2014, 10:14:48 AM
It seems likely that prices will continue to go up.  Maybe we should be hoarding this shit like ecig gold.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: jkmtwo on March 18, 2014, 10:49:35 AM
I've got a 120 ml bottle of TPA Tobacco Blend, that is TA @ 10% in PG, I use about .5 per 10 ml in my mixes of that shit. It gets the job done. But I prefer a PGA base for my TA. So if this shit is good, it will be perfect.

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Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Blewt on March 18, 2014, 11:50:28 AM
I usually leave the cap off for a few hours to let the PGA evaporate.  You can mark the bottle and come back and see where it's gone down a couple of mm.

I've got about 45ml of 10% in PGA still and I only use 1.25-1.5ml in a 30ml bottle, so I'm ok for now.  It's good to know you guys are staying on top of this shit, though. :thumbup:
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: junquedujour on March 18, 2014, 02:03:14 PM
Yeah, I ordered a small one to try, if it looks good I'll make a apocalypse buy.

i did too, but since i have never had the concentrate stuff, i have nothing to compare it to. we shall see ...
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on March 18, 2014, 02:04:42 PM
i did too, but since i have never had the concentrate stuff, i have nothing to compare it to. we shall see ...

Lulz.  I'l let you know if its like the other pures I've used.  I'm pretty sure it all comes out of the same huge vat somewhere.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: junquedujour on March 18, 2014, 02:07:40 PM
Lulz.  I'l let you know if its like the other pures I've used.  I'm pretty sure it all comes out of the same huge vat somewhere.

bulgaria ??  ;) 
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on March 18, 2014, 02:09:04 PM
I doubt it.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Cappadoc on March 18, 2014, 05:52:10 PM
I doubt it.


Bulgaria is code for "trust me, you don't want to know".
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on March 18, 2014, 06:03:36 PM
Bulgaria is across the street from the farm where all the sick old pets go.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: jkmtwo on March 18, 2014, 06:17:01 PM
I know that farm....mom and dad took my......
















Fuck you Mj :(

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Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on March 21, 2014, 02:25:11 PM
This TA from MFS isn't pure TA.  Not sure what it is yet, but it ain't pure.  I'll be checking it out and corresponding with them.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Cappadoc on March 21, 2014, 05:05:04 PM
Damn it, I was hoping to order it tonight.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Blewt on March 21, 2014, 05:23:58 PM
Hmmm.  What does it look/smell like?
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on March 21, 2014, 05:28:26 PM
Smells sweet, flows real easy, doesn't taste nearly nasty enough.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Blewt on March 21, 2014, 05:32:46 PM
Lame...
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: junquedujour on March 21, 2014, 06:28:43 PM
This TA from MFS isn't pure TA.  Not sure what it is yet, but it ain't pure.  I'll be checking it out and corresponding with them.

that must be why i'm not getting the separation in the juice after mixing the ta @10% with pga.  i probably should have just dripped it into the nic base straight from the bottle rather than diluting it first.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Blewt on March 21, 2014, 06:33:15 PM
If it were 100% it wouldn't drip.  That stuff is like tar. 
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: junquedujour on March 21, 2014, 08:23:35 PM
If it were 100% it wouldn't drip.  That stuff is like tar. 

ha! well then this stuff definitely is not the concentrate. it's almost as thin as water.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Blewt on March 21, 2014, 08:50:55 PM
I would think you could just let all of the PGA evaporate to get it back to 100%.  Then you would at least know what you are working with. 
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: junquedujour on March 21, 2014, 08:55:51 PM
well duhRme. i should have read the reviews before i ordered:

Quote
Posted by Not so happy anymore customer on 14th Mar 2014
Was a happy customer till I got this today my past orders of tobacco absolute the quality was pure. Got this in today and I called before ordering and asked if it was diluted down and was told no. But when I checked the content of my bottle it was not as my past orders of this item have been. It should be very thick and this stuff is not. Just very disappointed. If it would have been advertised as a diluted tobacco absolute I wouldn't have ordered it and got it else where. Still giving it 2 stars cause the difficulty of finding this item but it is not pure tobacco absolute.
 
*Reply from Alex*
 I just checked with our juice man and we are selling this at the same strength as we always have. In the past it was diluted 50/50, the same we are doing now. It is still very strong and potent and still the same quality that everyone has received in the past.
 If you would like to talk to me directly, please email me at alex@myfreedomsmokes.com
 Thanks.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Blewt on March 21, 2014, 08:59:25 PM
50/50 is fine.  How many ml do you have?
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on March 22, 2014, 02:47:59 AM
Ain't no 50/50.  Probly like 20:1 with ethy maltol is my guess at this point.  They'll fix mine or enjoy a chargeback.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: jkmtwo on March 22, 2014, 02:49:15 AM
Fuck me I knew it was too fucking good to be true

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Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on March 22, 2014, 02:51:01 AM
I should have.  WTF is wrong with me, am I developing a positive attitude?
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: jkmtwo on March 22, 2014, 02:53:37 AM
It's all those good pillz the shrink is feeding you

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Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on March 22, 2014, 02:58:32 AM
There's no new pills man.  Clearly I'm not miserable enough, though, or I wouldn't have believed it.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: jkmtwo on March 22, 2014, 03:08:26 AM
Take a hammer to your nuts, you'll feel better....er worse

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Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Cappadoc on March 22, 2014, 05:11:55 AM
I should have.  WTF is wrong with me, am I developing a positive attitude?


There's a cure for that.
2 to the chest, 1 to the head.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on March 25, 2014, 03:47:20 PM
Just got an email back finally that said this is 50% TA, 50% PG.  No believe.  Not sure wtf to do with these guys. 
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: junquedujour on March 25, 2014, 05:16:39 PM
Just got an email back finally that said this is 50% TA, 50% PG.  No believe.  Not sure wtf to do with these guys. 

was this recently added to the description then?
http://www.myfreedomsmokes.com/diy-concentrated-flavorings/all-flavorings/mfs-tobacco-absolute/
Quote
Pure tobacco absolute is a paste, which makes it hard to deal with.  For ease of use this product has been diluted to 50% Pure Tobacco Absolute and 50% USP Grade Propylene Glycol

i don't remember reading that line before ordering.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on March 25, 2014, 05:44:24 PM
Yeah, it didn't say that before.  I'm gonna be nice and send them a picture of 10% TA in PG next to their crap to help them see the light of day.  Then I'm gonna ask for my money back.  If that don't go well, I'll get ugly.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Blewt on March 25, 2014, 05:44:46 PM
Ugh.  They shoulda used PGA.  Stupid nanny state. 
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on March 25, 2014, 05:47:22 PM
I don't use PGA either.  I prefer not to, even though I can get 190 across the street.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Blewt on March 25, 2014, 06:00:42 PM
I like PGA because it evaporates and just leaves the TA gunky goodness. 
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on March 25, 2014, 06:02:35 PM
You're a strange one, man.  But you knew that already.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Blewt on March 25, 2014, 06:05:10 PM
You sound like my wife.  I likes what I likes. 
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on March 25, 2014, 06:08:54 PM
That I understand.  But I totally get why I didn't like your recipe now. :D
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Blewt on March 25, 2014, 06:31:35 PM
Heh.  We're talking about less than 2ml. 
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on March 25, 2014, 06:40:06 PM
I have a delicate palate, you know.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Blewt on March 25, 2014, 07:28:38 PM
The princess and the pea. 
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on March 28, 2014, 07:43:20 AM
I've had no response to my most recent love note to MFS about their shitty 'TA'.  But I do have an 'invitation to review' my purchase in my email.  Oh my.  What to do, what to do?  I'm seriously mixed, actually.  I dig their Nic.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Blewt on March 28, 2014, 08:20:00 AM
I get my nic there too, but that's all.  This TA thing is a mess. 
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on March 28, 2014, 08:29:34 AM
I'm beginning to think from perusing the web and other forums, that yes, retardation is abounding in this area.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on April 04, 2014, 04:00:22 PM
I bleeve this is the real Mccoy TA we want, bit hesse.  From Azure, previously Bluemist.  I have some right here, it smells right, tastes awful, has nearly the viscosity I used to get from TPA. 

http://www.azurevaping.com/pure-tobacco-absolute-15ml.html

Don't buy it all before I get it mixed and taste test against my already mixed.  I'm goin back for more.

Oh, and fuck you dudes at http://www.myfreedomsmokes.com/ for this $30 bottle of candy horseshit you call Tobacco Absolute that you won't refund.  Guess we won't be doing bidness again.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Blewt on April 04, 2014, 04:17:29 PM
I bleeve this is the real Mccoy TA we want, bit hesse.  From Azure, previously Bluemist.  I have some right here, it smells right, tastes awful, has nearly the viscosity I used to get from TPA. 

http://www.azurevaping.com/pure-tobacco-absolute-15ml.html

Don't buy it all before I get it mixed and taste test against my already mixed.  I'm goin back for more.

Oh, and fuck you dudes at http://www.myfreedomsmokes.com/ for this $30 bottle of candy horseshit you call Tobacco Absolute that you won't refund.  Guess we won't be doing bidness again.

Right on.  You think it's 100% TA?  Is it thicker than snot?  15ml for $22 is pretty damn cheap too.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on April 04, 2014, 04:39:04 PM
Right on.  You think it's 100% TA?  Is it thicker than snot?  15ml for $22 is pretty damn cheap too.

It seems a little thinner, but it is in a different kind of bottle and larger quantity than I am used to.  The smell is what's right on to me, I almost deem it the same just from that.  It is not quite as thick as room temp molasses, but very close.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Blewt on April 04, 2014, 08:08:33 PM
That's cool.  I'll order some and compare. 
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on April 06, 2014, 01:43:19 AM
What do you have?  Any left from TPA?  All I have is the stuff from the etsy chick.  Color is looking quite different after mixing with PG so far.  Much browner, less greenish.  I may have used more heat this time when mixing.  I'll let it set a couple days and then (ick) taste them both.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: warbdan on April 06, 2014, 06:15:45 AM
Why not just get it from TPA? Linda has it undiluted.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: junquedujour on April 06, 2014, 07:10:41 AM
...
Oh, and fuck you dudes at http://www.myfreedomsmokes.com/ (http://www.myfreedomsmokes.com/) for this $30 bottle of candy horseshit you call Tobacco Absolute that you won't refund.  Guess we won't be doing bidness again.


they never did publish my review. i should have marked it with a 3-5star and kept the text the same. imma guessing if a review is marked with a 1star it automatically gets kicked for their review of my review ??

quite a wonky and biased method of getting reviews.
/me thinks one cannot trust the reviews on their site

Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Cappadoc on April 06, 2014, 08:41:34 AM
MFS should be ashamed. Their reaction is simply unfathenable.
I thought they were a standup company.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: warbdan on April 06, 2014, 09:12:21 AM
No liquids are ever refunded. Taste is subjective and all that....
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: KilgoreTrout on April 06, 2014, 10:42:16 AM
No liquids are ever refunded. Taste is subjective and all that....
That policy is sort-of understandable, but if my description was wrong I'd definitely apologize and make it right.
And it's even worse when you're talking about a repeat customer. That shit was just stupid.

Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: warbdan on April 06, 2014, 11:01:48 AM
That policy is sort-of understandable, but if my description was wrong I'd definitely apologize and make it right.
And it's even worse when you're talking about a repeat customer. That shit was just stupid.

Agreed. They need to say it's 50/50 if it's not pure extract. Just saying, they won't issue a refund.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on April 06, 2014, 12:20:21 PM
Tpa quit carrying it, warb.  They can do what they want at MFS.  It is lucky for them I'm not really pissed.

ETA.  Feel free to publish your review here, junque.  BTW, I think you said you had managed to use this crap?  Do you want mine?  I'll send it to you if you can use it.  Otherwise it is hitting the trash soon.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: warbdan on April 07, 2014, 07:22:56 AM
I'll do some googling. At one time I had found a site that had several different TAs. Might be where TPA was getting it.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: junquedujour on April 07, 2014, 07:55:12 AM
i did mix some and took a couple vapes but it is going in the ant-food jar. it never did that separation like the real stuff does. that distinct undertone of the store-bought juices I have tried that contains TA does not come thru at all.
i too will be throwing it out, but thanks for the offer.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: jkmtwo on April 07, 2014, 08:01:21 AM
Mj I'll take it if you don't want it....I might find something to do with it

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Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: jkmtwo on April 07, 2014, 08:02:09 AM
I'm almost betting I know where they got it

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Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on April 07, 2014, 12:48:52 PM
Just use your regular juice for fapping jk
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: junquedujour on April 29, 2014, 08:51:48 AM
reposting from vbh cuz of the tobacco absolute.
i've ordered from here several times and it has always been a good transaction and have never had a leaking issue ... unlike ecigexpress.

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btw, they carry tobacco absolute.
http://www.onestopdiyshop.com/tobacco-absolute/ (http://www.onestopdiyshop.com/tobacco-absolute/)

@mj - it looks like the real deal:
Quote
Product Description Our Tobacco Absolute is in the pure form and needs to be diluted before use.  It is packaged in 1/4 oz and 1/2 oz jars for easier accessability as its tar like in its natural state. You can warm it gently to make it easier to work with.

Tobacco Absolute will add depth to your mix, also it will give you that real cigarette flavor!
 
Our suggested recipe to make a flavoring for use in your mix
Tobacco Blend
1/32 tsp Tobacco Absolute
15ml PG
1ml Ethyl Maltol Crystals
Gently warm mixture for proper infusion of the Tobacco Absolute into your new flavoring.

Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on April 29, 2014, 09:42:15 AM
Um, who is the seller?  I could just be hung over...
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Blewt on April 29, 2014, 10:15:24 AM
Onestopdiyshop
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on April 29, 2014, 10:20:58 AM
Thanks.  I'll get some from there too and check it out.  I still haven't tried the stuff from Azure, it never resolved to the same color after dilution, so not sure.  I need to get my ass mixing, but I have a lot already.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: junquedujour on April 29, 2014, 10:23:52 AM
Um, who is the seller?  I could just be hung over...

ha! yep, must be the hangover cuz it's linked in the quotes.
what pulled you off the wagon? hadn't you been alcohol-free for MANY months?

Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: junquedujour on April 29, 2014, 10:34:27 AM
i ordered 1/2 oz. too. i like the look of those li'l centrifuge tubes that she offers so i grabbed some of those also. looks like a tidy way to mix small batches.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on April 29, 2014, 12:34:58 PM
It's the theme, junque.  That's why I didn't see the link.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: junquedujour on April 29, 2014, 12:56:39 PM
ha! yep, must be the hangover cuz it's linked in the quotes.
what pulled you off the wagon? hadn't you been alcohol-free for MANY months?


It's the theme, junque.  That's why I didn't see the link.

so is this the benevolent dictator twat surfacing? or, in your day-long hangover haze, did you forget to answer the questions?
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on April 29, 2014, 01:58:47 PM
I didn't forget. 
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: team420 on April 29, 2014, 02:06:25 PM
Lol... I thought that part was quite obvious :D

Eta:  didja ever get that exploder running right mj?
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: KilgoreTrout on April 29, 2014, 05:20:42 PM
I didn't forget.
Tell her to mind her own damn alcoholism. :D

Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: junquedujour on April 29, 2014, 05:46:39 PM
Tell her to mind her own damn alcoholism. :D

funnnnnnnny!
i like the community drinking. y'know, kinda like going to an AA meeting without having to walk up those pesky 12 steps. 

besides, aren't you just a teeny bit curious?
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: KilgoreTrout on April 29, 2014, 05:52:18 PM
I don't know, I've been drinking a good bit lately. I'm having shots of whiskey and a cup of coffee at the moment.
I come and go with booze, tho. Month on, month off, year on, year off, etc.
This is a pretty good one now, but I've gotten so much stuff done around the house. :D

Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on April 29, 2014, 05:54:51 PM
Jeez, junque.  You remind me of my wife sometimes.  She's got that Paul Harvey thing going on, always wants to know the rest of the story.  Nothing dramatic, I got thirsty.  I'm a compulsive person, so sometimes I swear off stuff, for days, months, or even years. 
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: team420 on April 29, 2014, 06:07:04 PM
Jeez, junque.  You remind me of my wife sometimes.  She's got that Paul Harvey thing going on, always wants to know the rest of the story.  Nothing dramatic, I got thirsty.  I'm a compulsive person, so sometimes I swear off stuff, for days, months, or even years.

Yeah, fuck that shit....  I got enough roller coasters in life, I keep the drinking at a constant minimum/maximum :D
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: junquedujour on April 29, 2014, 06:07:31 PM
Jeez, junque.  You remind me of my wife sometimes.  She's got that Paul Harvey thing going on, always wants to know the rest of the story.  Nothing dramatic, I got thirsty.  I'm a compulsive person, so sometimes I swear off stuff, for days, months, or even years.

and with that i am gonna go get me a scotchie.

*clink*
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on April 29, 2014, 07:38:32 PM
and with that i am gonna go get me a scotchie.

*clink*

That clanked against my coke zero.  No drinkie today, I think.  I may turn in early.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: junquedujour on May 02, 2014, 11:09:45 AM
1/2 oz. tobacco absolute from onestopdiyshop.com:

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Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Blewt on May 02, 2014, 11:42:42 AM
That's definitely the right consistency  :thumbup:
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on May 02, 2014, 11:43:42 AM
Does it taste like you just licked a dirty bus station ashtray?
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: junquedujour on May 02, 2014, 11:47:33 AM
since i didn't go back to RTFT, i just put a hefty toothpick glob of it in 10ml of pga. i hope that's what i was s'posed to do. i have not added it to anything yet though. got company company later this afternoon so i gotta get ready for that. that trumps *playing with vapes*  ;D 
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: junquedujour on May 02, 2014, 11:48:09 AM
Does it taste like you just licked a dirty bus station ashtray?

i didn't taste it, but yeh the smell is definitely that.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on May 02, 2014, 03:23:58 PM
A hefty toothpick glob, huh?  10 to 1 is what we usually do, junque.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: junquedujour on May 02, 2014, 03:57:13 PM
ok. thanks.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Cappadoc on May 02, 2014, 09:40:55 PM
1/2 oz. tobacco absolute from onestopdiyshop.com:

(FYI: Get 15% off using coupon code Keats until Sunday May 3rd 2014!)

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Lulz. I just got one today, too.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: jkmtwo on May 03, 2014, 12:15:45 AM
I wanna know if this shit's good or not OSDIYS is a good vendor.

ImagineMax preorder coming soon.

Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on May 03, 2014, 01:27:47 AM
Fuck off jk
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: jkmtwo on May 03, 2014, 01:37:47 AM
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ImagineMax preorder coming soon.

Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: junquedujour on May 09, 2014, 06:29:04 PM
@Blewt - i know you mentioned some various vanillas you had tried while waiting for madvapes to restock, but did you ever try azure vaping vanilla tobacco?

http://www.azurevaping.com/diy-flav-vanillatobacco.html
there is a current code for 35% off of diy stuff, if you are curious:
diymay2014



p.s. i have never tried it.


Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Blewt on May 11, 2014, 07:55:16 AM
Thanks, junque.  I was able to stock up on the MV stuff so I'm ok for now.  Thanks for the heads up though. 


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Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on June 29, 2014, 11:25:46 AM
Mixing day finally came.  Old TA from Etsy on the right, new TA from Azure on the left. 


(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-DqgKP2l1YJI/U7A8qpe7JdI/AAAAAAAAQFE/GTjtNfcSvAc/s640/IMG_0483.jpg)
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: junquedujour on June 29, 2014, 12:53:16 PM
looks like IBT thingys housing the TA concoction.

how long will all the juice last you?
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: team420 on June 29, 2014, 12:58:40 PM
Jesus...  Thats a lot of juice... lol

I usually just mix up 500ml of my base every 2 months or so, and mix my adv once a week....  I dont think I'd have the patience to spend half the day mixing enough juice for a year.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on June 29, 2014, 01:06:21 PM
Heh.  Those vials were for homemade CE2\carto tanks long before OCD found 'em.  That's 720 ml of juice.  I don't know how long it will last, I don't keep track of that crap anymore.  I like doing everything in big bunches.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Kase on June 29, 2014, 03:46:51 PM
Your v's look like u's.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on June 29, 2014, 04:06:52 PM
I hope that won't affect the taste.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Kase on June 29, 2014, 04:08:36 PM
It makes it into French Urine Tobacco.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on June 29, 2014, 04:18:00 PM
And here I was expecting faget sass about labelmakers.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Cappadoc on June 29, 2014, 06:25:42 PM
And here I was expecting faget sass about labelmakers.


I put labels on everything; even my labelmaker.

Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: KilgoreTrout on June 29, 2014, 07:42:57 PM
I need to play around with ta again. I used to really like it in certain mixes.

As for label makers, I don't own one but we have an expensive one at work. When I first started there, I printed all of the pre-programmed warning pictures because they were funny and I labeled all kinds of shit with them.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Blewt on June 30, 2014, 03:25:08 PM
I wonder what a handwriting analysis expert would say about those lazy Vs.   My 5s look a lot like Ss btw. 
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Kase on June 30, 2014, 03:29:44 PM
That's crazy. My N's and R's are always backwards. Maybe I'm a Russian.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on June 30, 2014, 03:32:17 PM
LOL.  I dunno.  My handwriting used to be much neater.  Before I figured out that perfect was the enemy of good.  I usually sign my name as just a squiggle now.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Paradiso on June 30, 2014, 03:35:05 PM
TPA's Cowboy flavoring has a very strong TA taste to it. I'm not a big fan but you might want to try it if finding concentrated TA becomes difficult.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Kase on June 30, 2014, 03:35:33 PM
I just make the first letter of my name and then a squiggle. It looks fucking awesome.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on June 30, 2014, 03:39:42 PM
Makes no difference anymore, hasn't for years.  I used to sign my Amex charges as Mickey Mouse.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: KilgoreTrout on June 30, 2014, 08:50:34 PM
I've signed a ton of weird shit on receipts, including 'do not authorize'. It seems like the quick squiggle gets the most weird looks from the cashiers, though, like I've done something wrong.
So they don't actually read it, they just want you to give the illusion of the appropriate amount of signature fucks.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on June 30, 2014, 09:09:27 PM
I've though of just making an X and saying 'made my mark heh-heh' but have never done it.  Guess I'm still looking for the right person to torment with that one.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Cappadoc on July 01, 2014, 04:59:59 AM
I've though of just making an X and saying 'made my mark heh-heh' but have never done it.  Guess I'm still looking for the right person to torment with that one.


I have had 2 or 3 patients sign a consent that way.
It's considered legal if it's witnessed.
Weird.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on July 30, 2014, 09:57:56 PM
Blewt, did you ever make a list of the 'other' french vanilla flavorings you tried?
Title: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Blewt on July 31, 2014, 01:42:35 AM
Nah.  I only tried a couple before realizing it was the madvapes one that I was looking for so I stopped. 
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on July 31, 2014, 01:57:40 AM
Okay.  But you still get a virtual cunt punt.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Blewt on July 31, 2014, 02:14:37 AM
That sounds amazing.  Thanks man. 
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: KilgoreTrout on July 31, 2014, 07:33:59 AM
I just got a few vanillas from tfa and the vanilla bourbon seems promising. Wish it wasn't so dark, tho.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Blewt on July 31, 2014, 11:38:02 PM
What other FVs are there?  I'd like to try some. 

I think as long as the TA is at the right level I could dick around with the other flavor a little.

This stuff just doesn't gunk up an atty like some of my other juices.  Vanilla custard was tits but I had to dry burn after three days. 
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: warbdan on August 01, 2014, 06:53:28 AM
Vanilla Custard is pretty fucking good. The wife has been Vaping it for a month or two now.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: KilgoreTrout on August 01, 2014, 07:45:49 AM
What other FVs are there?  I'd like to try some. 

I think as long as the TA is at the right level I could dick around with the other flavor a little.

This stuff just doesn't gunk up an atty like some of my other juices.  Vanilla custard was tits but I had to dry burn after three days.
If it has to be french, I don't know. I got some vanilla custard, vanilla bourbon, and some other one. I can't remember. The vanilla bourbon seems promising, its just really dark.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on August 01, 2014, 09:18:09 AM
French vanilla is actually vanilla with the addition of custard notes.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: witchesbrew269 on August 01, 2014, 09:28:53 AM
If it has to be french, I don't know. I got some vanilla custard, vanilla bourbon, and some other one. I can't remember. The vanilla bourbon seems promising, its just really dark.

The vanilla  bourbon is good. I would mix it lower than the normal 10% though. It is potent stuff. I used to get my cartomizers at vapor god. You got a free five ml with every pack. That was one of my flavors they had and all it is is what you have. I haven't vaped it for a while. Now I may have to mix a batch.

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Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: KilgoreTrout on August 01, 2014, 11:31:29 AM
French vanilla is actually vanilla with the addition of custard notes.
I need to try the tfa vanilla custard. It smells pretty good, I've just been stuck on the ry4 double for months now.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on August 01, 2014, 11:35:02 AM
Yeah, I want to find an acceptable french vanilla direct from the maker.  I don't like relying on Madvapes for it long-term.   I have 120 ml left now, but I like to stay ahead.  Running outta shit is for other people.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: warbdan on August 01, 2014, 11:37:21 AM
I thought the madvapes fvt had a custard note to it. Tfa vanilla custard might be what you need, mj.

Edit: I still have your address. I'll send you some to tinker with.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on August 01, 2014, 11:41:40 AM
I'd appreciate that, warb.  Send it the cheap way bro, you go through a lotta torture for them Wal-Mart monies.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: warbdan on August 01, 2014, 11:42:51 AM
Lol. I only work at Walmart for the insurance now :P
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on August 01, 2014, 12:01:18 PM
Ah ha!  I knew i would figure out who stole all those bitcoins eventually.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: warbdan on August 01, 2014, 03:11:22 PM
I wish, man. I wish.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Blewt on December 08, 2014, 10:55:15 AM
So, I finally ran out of my 10% TA mix.  That shit lasted forever. 

I decided to order a few bottles from ECX while I was getting a few other things to try.  Mistake...  Those fools are selling tobacco spit as TA and I bought four bottles of the shit.  I wasn't paying attention and decided to try to dilute it to my 10% ratio in PGA and poured the runny diarrhea juice into a graduated cylinder.  I added the 40ml of PGA and the shit started turning solid.  Like huge brown precipitate all throughout the mix.  Nas. Tee.  I'm still gonna make a small mix with a dilution in distilled water or something but... gross.  That shit ain't TA.

I ordered some from onestopdiyshop and azure.  Azure says theirs is real Bulgarian shit and onestop says theirs is a different kind but they swear people that use the Bulgarian like it better.  We'll see.

DON'T ORDER TA FROM ECX!   EVER!!!!

You're welcome.

 
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on December 08, 2014, 11:08:28 AM
You dumbass.  I tole ya the azure looked pretty good half an eon ago.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Blewt on December 08, 2014, 11:31:00 AM
I know.  So much time had passed that I thought everyone worked the bugs out by now.  Wrong. 
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on December 08, 2014, 11:45:10 AM
I'm actually low enough that I just pulled a bottle out of the fridge that was made with the Azure stuff.  I may actually vape some in a month or so.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: notmymonkeys on December 08, 2014, 01:13:04 PM
I got TA from Rob at the first vape meet in VA.  I was a rookie then and thought making my own juice would be fun.   ::)  (That TA was good tho....).

Bluemist/Azure used to be my go to juice vendor. Then I got tired of the taste. 

I really like Swiss Luxe Tobacco, European Gold and Triple 5 from MFS lately.  The Swiss Luxe has a hint of hazelnut. :)
 
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Cappadoc on December 08, 2014, 01:55:37 PM
Why in the fuck does everything in the universe have to have hazelnut flavoring now?


I HATE hazelnuts.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: notmymonkeys on December 08, 2014, 02:21:18 PM
Why in the fuck does everything in the universe have to have hazelnut flavoring now?


I HATE hazelnuts.

How about filberts?  ;)


ETA:  There was no mention of the hazelnut flavor in the description.  I tasted it by accident after I ate a piece of chocolate.  Some flavors bring out others.  I can taste the almond in Dr. Pepper if I eat something with chocolate too. :)

Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on December 08, 2014, 02:25:31 PM
I don't like any nuts in my ejuice, thankyouverymuch.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: notmymonkeys on December 08, 2014, 02:26:12 PM
I don't like any nuts in my ejuice, thankyouverymuch.

just fruits?
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Paradiso on December 08, 2014, 06:06:37 PM
I don't like any nuts in my ejuice, thankyouverymuch.

How about if I just dip my nuts in your juice?
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Blewt on December 08, 2014, 06:34:38 PM
Reminds me of the vagina flavored juice.  My favorite was "just after a run". 
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on December 08, 2014, 06:42:44 PM
Especially para's nuts. 


Via Tapatwat
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Blewt on December 08, 2014, 09:00:26 PM
"Questionable hook-up" was another favorite vagina juice. 
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: junquedujour on December 08, 2014, 09:03:22 PM
check your pm Blewt.
Title: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Blewt on December 08, 2014, 09:19:07 PM
Replied :)

Nice rack, btw. 
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Cappadoc on December 09, 2014, 04:01:30 AM
Replied :)

Nice rack, btw.
j


<golf clap>
Well played, sir.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: junquedujour on December 09, 2014, 04:53:14 AM
Replied :)

Nice rack, btw. 

heh. 
and all this time i thought you were a big-boobie fan.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on December 09, 2014, 06:49:29 AM
I'll take a big heart over a big rack anyday.


Via Tapatwat
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Blewt on December 09, 2014, 07:30:17 AM
I'm just a boobie fan, junque :)
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on December 21, 2014, 02:16:07 PM
I'm finally vaping some of my FVT with the Azure TA today.  It might have a hint more dirty ashtray note, but otherwise it really seems the same as the greenish bulgarian TPA used to have.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Blewt on December 21, 2014, 02:32:28 PM
I'm using the Onestopdiyshop TA mix.  The azure still hasn't showed up.  I might need to check my email about that.  This stuff is ok though. 
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on December 21, 2014, 02:56:22 PM
Azure ships cheap but slow if I recall.  Never ordered from onestopdiy, but I'll keep them in mind if they are still around when I reorder stuff in 2016. :D
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Blewt on December 21, 2014, 05:02:48 PM
Damn.  Shipped on the 11th from York, PA and arrived at the local sorting place here on the 20th at 11pm.  That's slow as fuck.  I guess I'll get it tomorrow. 
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on May 15, 2015, 10:31:49 PM
It's been 5 months, what's your take on the TA's you got, his Blewtness? 
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Blewt on May 15, 2015, 10:46:13 PM
If I remember right, I'm using the One Stop DIY stuff at 10% and it's fine.  It's the non-Bulgarian, but it'll do in a pinch.  I have 15ml of whatever Blue Mist is selling as 100% Bulgarian unopened still.  I should be ok for a while.  Just stay the fuck away from ECX's stuff.  That was an abomination.


I'm about to run out of extract.  Motherfuckers can't keep that shit in stock, yo.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on May 15, 2015, 10:59:56 PM
I just mixed a batch using the last of my extract.  Course, that'll last me over 6 months.  Come to think of it, I dunno why the fuck I'm asking about TA, I've got almost 100 ml of TA 10% solution, it's the extract I'm out of.

TA abomination list is:

ECX
MFS

I still have the abomination from MFS.  I wrote them a nice bunch of bitchy emails but never got a refund.  I shoulda called my cc company and done a chargeback, but I wasn't feeling that much pain over the $30 at that time, I guess, must have been busy.  I need to dose a big drill hole in a tree stump I've been poisoning for 9 months now this weekend.  I think I'll pour it in there.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Blewt on May 15, 2015, 11:08:13 PM
I might have to go in search of an extract replacement.  mamu wasn't any help either.  She just told me to submit a ticket.  Of course I haven't yet cause that requires Mr. Fucks.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on May 15, 2015, 11:12:24 PM
I decided I wasn't going to bug Mamu.  Warb sent me some vanilla something to try, and I bought some.  I'm gonna run this batch I just made dry and then try a few different ones from steady suppliers.  I won't be able to get Mr Fucks interested in that until I'm out, he's a stubborn bastard.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Blewt on May 15, 2015, 11:16:36 PM
Send me some vanilla links to try.  I'll be out long before you will.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: warbdan on May 16, 2015, 08:15:59 AM
Holy fuck, I don't even remember what I sent you. Was it TPA French Vanilla?

Edit: I bet TPA vanilla custard would be nice in there instead.  The madvapes fvt has a custard note to me.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Blewt on May 16, 2015, 09:26:07 AM
No custards.  The best custard flavor is Capela's and it turns a coil into a rabbit pellet after three days.  The FVT can run a couple of weeks on a coil in a pinch before a dry burn. 

It's definitely a distinct vanilla.  Richer and almost butterscotchy.  I hate that MV isn't just sitting on a vat of this shit.  It's so fucking stupid. 
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on May 16, 2015, 03:42:04 PM
This is so far down on my priority list it almost isn't there.  I have (all TFA flavors) vanilla custard, french vanilla creme, french vanilla deluxe, and french vanilla to try.  If I had to color match vanilla custard wins as closest.  Warb sent me that, might have been a year ago.  Given my current not buying any more shit stance, the fact I don't pop a stiffy over mixing juice, and Mr Fucks ruthlessly pragmatic life prioritization scheme, I'd say we're looking at some testing of those in calendar year 2016.

I think there's a custard note, Blewt.  I doubt MV is being stupid at all, they just have their own Mr Fucks to answer to.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on May 20, 2015, 10:25:59 AM
In stock Blewt.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Blewt on May 20, 2015, 11:35:04 AM
In stock Blewt.

You rock.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Kase on May 20, 2015, 12:02:18 PM
I think all of you guys rock. What a great bunch of guys.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Blewt on May 20, 2015, 01:04:49 PM
Group hug. 
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on May 20, 2015, 01:24:32 PM
I didn't order any.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Blewt on May 20, 2015, 02:03:02 PM
I ordered $40 worth. 
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: KilgoreTrout on May 20, 2015, 02:04:04 PM
$40 worth of group hugs? Seems like way too much.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Blewt on May 20, 2015, 02:19:14 PM
That's only like 15 minutes worth. 
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on May 20, 2015, 05:56:08 PM
I almost did, but then I remembered I wasn't spending money and I have those others to try in 2016.  Fuckit, I got other flavors.  No hugs unless y'all got C cups.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Kase on May 20, 2015, 06:12:06 PM
You'd hug me and you'd love it.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on May 20, 2015, 06:21:19 PM
If I'm in a hugging mood it's best to take cover in a library or something.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Kase on May 20, 2015, 06:23:06 PM
I don't remember asking what happened when you were in a hugging mood.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on May 20, 2015, 06:26:30 PM
I don't remember most of 2012.  What's your point?
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Kase on May 20, 2015, 06:29:06 PM
I just wanted a hug  :(
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on May 20, 2015, 06:44:37 PM
Jeezus, didn't you get a dog yet?
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Kase on May 20, 2015, 07:27:01 PM
Nope.... The poor life is wrapping up, hoping to get a real house this fall.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on May 20, 2015, 07:35:46 PM
You're still gonna be the wife though, right?
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Kase on May 20, 2015, 07:58:21 PM
Fuck yes. This here is the final stage, one last push.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on May 20, 2015, 08:01:37 PM
Bring home that bacon, honey.  Your husband is a little confused about the rest of her her role, though.  She's supposed to be in charge of the tech.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: KilgoreTrout on May 20, 2015, 08:24:11 PM
I bet she's got a high tech strap-on.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on May 20, 2015, 08:37:14 PM
I'm completely on board with Kase's life plan.  I wish to be a kept man.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: KilgoreTrout on May 20, 2015, 09:02:15 PM
Ac, kc, and mc.
You guys could start your own red hat society.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on May 20, 2015, 09:15:58 PM
If you could send your wife to work to make your money or more you'd be on board.  Mine got a raise to 1K a year gross more than me late last year.  I was proud of her, she's damn good at what she does, but I really did not see that possibility in a million fucking years.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: KilgoreTrout on May 20, 2015, 09:43:26 PM
You're right. If my wife could find a job making more than me, I'd fucking quit.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Cappadoc on May 20, 2015, 09:59:14 PM
If my wife ever got a job at all, I'd prolly have a stroke.
Lazy fuck.
Title: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Blewt on May 21, 2015, 08:24:42 AM
My wife got her national boards done this year.  That's an extra 6K/year. 

Once all of the kids are in college, she'll probably finish her PhD.  She's really good at jumping through hoops.  That's a skill I just don't have at all.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on May 21, 2015, 08:41:33 AM
Fuck hoops, and loops.  A consultant I know used to respond to 'keep you in the loop' with 'I don't do loops'.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Blewt on May 21, 2015, 10:55:24 AM
Tell me about it.  You are required to constantly email co-workers about company bullshit, though.  Most of my emails read "Call me."  I hate putting shit in writing because fuck that.  Unless it's an email to myself.  I seem to do that shit a lot lately.  They usually read "Hey motherfucker.  Don't forget... blah blah blah"
Title: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on May 21, 2015, 06:24:28 PM
I just shut email the fuck down if it becomes excessively annoying.  So usually every day.  If I leave it up I answer the easy shit and let the harder stuff ferment for a day or more.  I got filters that put all the various worthless whole company emails in a bin to glance at once a week.


Sent via old Tapatwat 2.4.1
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Kase on May 21, 2015, 11:31:43 PM
I filter my company emails too and delete them without checking when they get to 100.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Blewt on May 21, 2015, 11:55:50 PM
You ain't got no company.  Go empty the blade bucket before that sumbitch overflows and somebody gets hep c. 
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Kase on May 22, 2015, 12:18:09 AM
Don't you have a mint julep to drink to wash the taste of effeminate southern cocks out of your mouth you brooks wearing mental patient?

:)
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Blewt on May 22, 2015, 07:17:41 AM
Heh.  Leave my brooks outta this, you!
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Kase on May 22, 2015, 08:55:27 AM
I've heard they're nice. At least you don't wear teva sandals.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Blewt on May 22, 2015, 12:08:32 PM
Dude.  I have a 20 year old suede pair of Tevas that are tits!
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Kase on May 22, 2015, 12:21:32 PM
Oh.. Well, at least you're a nice guy and mean well.
Title: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on May 23, 2015, 10:24:48 AM
Brooks...  Are those the women shoes you hate Kase?


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Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Kase on May 23, 2015, 10:30:44 AM
I think brooks makes sneakers for running. Probably for men and women although I see men wearing them more. Just one of those oddball brands like asics or saucony.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Blewt on May 23, 2015, 10:39:41 AM
They are overpriced running shoes that don't look like something a futuristic gogo dancer would wear.  Have you shopped for running shoes lately?  They are fucking neon colored neoprene footies.  I asked the little girl who was selling them if they had ANY at all for men.  She was unimpressed. 
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on May 23, 2015, 10:40:24 AM
Oh.  I wear plain white nikes.  I don't like my feet all clowny.


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Title: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Blewt on May 23, 2015, 10:43:04 AM
Well.  I'm not quite that old.

I think these are the ones I ended up with.  They were the least offensive but they still kinda match lime jello's white hating hotrod. 

(http://spaceciggysforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdemandware.edgesuite.net%2Fsits_pod21%2Fdw%2Fimage%2Fv2%2Faaev_prd%2Fon%2Fdemandware.static%2FSites-BrooksRunning-Site%2FSites-BrooksCatalog%2Fdefault%2Fdw2d4e4bc1%2Fimages%2FProductImages%2F110173%2F110173_393_a_ZM.jpg&hash=837fb85e12d5df59829102e44fc64d60)
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on May 23, 2015, 10:52:18 AM
I was wearing em when I was younger than you are now, dork.  Mens fashion consists of ignoring fashion and wearing what you like.


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Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: notmymonkeys on May 23, 2015, 11:02:39 AM
Propet


These and Nubuck, black leatherette (?) and blue "suede". All washable, all comfortable. All MINE.



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Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on May 23, 2015, 11:07:14 AM
Actually, I think running shoes etc went full retard in my twenties and I never participated.  I expect plain shoes to become fashionable again at least once before I die.  Shoes=comfort and match anything or titfa.


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Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Blewt on May 23, 2015, 11:56:39 AM
I'm obviously a lot more athletic than you are :P
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Kase on May 23, 2015, 12:13:52 PM
These Nike free sb's are my fav right now
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Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on May 23, 2015, 01:10:40 PM
Right, Blewt.  I believe you.  You play pickup basketball with 20-year old guys once a week and can run a 5 minute mile.  Those shoe are alright Kase.  Low profile is nice.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Blewt on May 23, 2015, 02:50:24 PM
Well, fuck me.  I ordered 200ml of vanilla extract.  Not French Vanilla Extract...  Not even seeing the fv anymore. Lame.

ETA: Well fuck me again... It is in stock.  It just wasn't coming up when I did a search.  Next time link that shit (http://www.madvapes.com/30-ml-18mg-14559.html)!
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on May 23, 2015, 02:59:44 PM
Ye gods man, be sure someone holds your hand when you cross the streets for a while...  http://www.madvapes.com/30-ml-18mg-14559.html
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Blewt on May 23, 2015, 03:01:43 PM
They fucking hide it, dude.  You gotta go looking for it. I put in a ticket.  Hope they let me swap this stuff out.  It ain't the same.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on May 23, 2015, 03:04:22 PM
Search boxes are excruciating for my wife too.  Could be my gaziliion years of db search experience that makes it easy as fuck for me.  Dunno on swap.  You may be fucked like ejuice, and need to figure out how to french it.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Blewt on May 23, 2015, 03:24:36 PM
I submitted a ticket. We'll see.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on May 23, 2015, 03:30:01 PM
Just tell 'em your retarded kid ordered the wrong one.  That may help.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: KilgoreTrout on May 23, 2015, 07:36:58 PM
I have navy blue new balance shoes right now. I don't give a fuck, I just go for comfortable and not bright. I hate bright shoes.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Blewt on May 23, 2015, 08:20:34 PM
Bright sucks.  Most shit is bright now.  My last pair was navy  new balance.  Wore those fuckers out.  The brooks didn't last as long. 
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on May 23, 2015, 08:29:49 PM
I had a pair of new balance once or twice.  I didn't like them at all.  I'll never try that shit again.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Sedateme on May 23, 2015, 09:02:14 PM
With the exception of a decent pair of boots, the only shoes I've bought in forever have been Merrells. I've got a pair of running shoes, some 15-year-old Reeboks that I mow the lawn in.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on May 23, 2015, 09:08:41 PM
Goddamn, shoes are boring.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Blewt on May 23, 2015, 09:11:18 PM
Kase started it. 
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Kase on May 23, 2015, 09:32:01 PM
I wanna try some new balance skate shoes. I bet they're nice. I got some Adidas skate shoes the other day that were pretty cool.

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Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: KilgoreTrout on May 24, 2015, 07:38:37 AM
I used to like skate shoes ok, but most had no arch support. Has that changed at all?
Title: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Blewt on May 24, 2015, 08:08:29 AM
I found an old pair of Vans a few weeks ago in my closet that were about 20 years old.  The leather was in good shape but the rubber on the soles was glazed.  I hit the soles with an electric sander and I've been wearing them ever since.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: junquedujour on May 26, 2015, 08:05:59 PM
With the exception of a decent pair of boots, the only shoes I've bought in forever have been Merrells. I've got a pair of running shoes, some 15-year-old Reeboks that I mow the lawn in.
merrell best shoes ever.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: KilgoreTrout on May 27, 2015, 08:30:08 PM
I had a pair of merrells that were terrible. I suppose I could try them again.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on May 27, 2015, 08:39:52 PM
I looked at 'em, look like shoes I'd hate.  Seems like I had something like this once and titfa.  http://www.merrell.com/US/en/jungle-moc-wide-width/17708M.html?dwvar_17708M_color=J63811W#cgid=men-featured-best-sellers&start=1

I rarely wear anything but nikes and slippers.  If I do go nuts, just plain brown lace-ups with rubber soles, no-name, comfy, and pretty much business casual style.  I don't play the dress-up game much, nobody expects me to wear adult shoes.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: junquedujour on May 27, 2015, 09:17:35 PM
i love the merrell sandals the best of all i have walked thru.

the ecco?? were more expensive and the soles only lasted one summer with walking on concrete. the merrells have lasted 3 summers. wish i would have bought more of the henna style before they dc'd them. :-(


Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Blewt on May 27, 2015, 09:21:19 PM
I rarely take these Sanuks off. Note sleeping smug fucking dog in background.  Fuck her. 
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on May 27, 2015, 09:23:48 PM
Those are fugly.  Look like Gilligan made 'em on the Island.  I'd wear 'em if I liked 'em too.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Blewt on May 27, 2015, 09:36:55 PM
They are like these except not camo.  I wear a pair out every 5 years or so.  Best slip on shoes ever. http://www.sanuk.com/mens-sidewalk-surfers/you-got-my-back-2-basics/SMF10561.html?dwvar_SMF10561_color=CMO#start=9&cgid=mens-new-arrivals

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Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on May 27, 2015, 09:43:32 PM
Heh.  Those are wonderfully slovenly.  I owe myself a present soon.  Was gonna get a cheapass radio for my truck that will play audio files.  Maybe I'll buy shoes too.  It will freak my wife the fuck out.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Blewt on May 28, 2015, 09:21:24 AM
Dude radios that will do everything are so cheap now it's ridiculous. 

I seriously never take these fucking shoes off, slovenly or not :)
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on May 28, 2015, 09:58:48 AM
I know, and that's good because I am trying to keep my spend low to aid in curing the excesses of my past.  I have this one saved.  http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00IVEH1K4?colid=1NPLT5JGN9A9Y&coliid=I3UDLC20GICUNQ&psc=1&ref_=wl_it_dp_o_pC_S_ttl
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Blewt on May 28, 2015, 10:17:27 AM
They're just giving that shit away. 
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on May 28, 2015, 10:24:18 AM
I was gonna pick a hundred buck one, but it looked like it had the overly annoying lit up display marquee that a hipster or 16 year old would enjoy.  I just want music I pick, and put on a thumb drive or card, shuffle forever, and no talking or light shows.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on July 27, 2015, 08:57:30 PM
Syrup.

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-BcOfuY7RxOE/VbbetOKoV-I/AAAAAAAAVYE/kcV0yDb88Qg/s640-Ic42/IMG_0608.jpg)
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: junquedujour on July 27, 2015, 09:34:50 PM
? does it have that ever so slight burn/spicy sensation that the tv french vanilla has?
i think that might possibly be a clove flavor enhancing it.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on July 27, 2015, 09:39:00 PM
Absolutely no fucking idea.  Dollar store wtf, along with some milk that you can keep un-refrigerated for several months, gonna DIY experiment at some point.  But you know how long 'at some point' is with me sometimes .
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: junquedujour on July 27, 2015, 10:00:15 PM
the soy milk? i like that stuff.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on July 27, 2015, 10:29:54 PM
No, this was regular cow milk.  They had two percent and the other shittier kind, maybe skim.  Dollar tree.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: junquedujour on July 28, 2015, 05:28:45 AM
hmmmm. regular cow milk that can be unrefrigerated for months? they must be some alien cows. alien as in outer space - not foreigners.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on July 28, 2015, 07:05:47 AM
Well, i was feeling optimistic.  Who knows.  I won't be back bitching for a refund of it doesn't work.


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Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on October 08, 2015, 09:07:54 PM
Well fuck, what I was afraid of occurred.  Not jack shit french vanilla tobacco anything at Madvapes.  And the site is more fucked up than ever.

ETA:  Junque, the milk worked.  Put it in the fridge unopened, seems like it was in there a month, which easily puts it at two months at my age.  We used it in cooking 3-4 times then pitched cuz I forget why.  Bought another at the dollar store 2 days ago, it's in the fridge again now.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Kase on October 08, 2015, 09:58:23 PM
You put forever milk in your juice?
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on October 08, 2015, 09:59:57 PM
No.  I've progressed from being offtopic in threads to within posts.  The milk is unrelated to the juice, just bought it the same place I bought the syrup.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Kase on October 08, 2015, 10:01:52 PM
Ahhhh, got it.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on October 08, 2015, 10:05:33 PM
I actually have 5 different FVT flavor tests steeping now.  Just too fucking lazy to post pictures and tell y'all what they are currently.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Blewt on October 08, 2015, 10:14:39 PM
Yeah. I got 200ml of the fv extract a couple of months ago and every bottle is dark brown.  Not various colors from colorless to slightly dark but all dark as fuck brown.  I dumped it all into a big container and I've been using it. 

I ran out of Bulgarian absolute at the same time so I'm using the DIY flavor shack American absolute replacement.  My mix tastes fine, but... Something is clogging the fuck out of my coils after just 3 days.  Before I could go a week and a half or longer without a dry burn.  Now my shit gets gunky as a rabbit pellet fast as shit. 

I've got the bluemist absolute still that I haven't diluted yet.  I'm going to mix up a batch and try that but I'm afraid it's this janky French Vanilla that's fucking up my syrup. 

I have a killer Vanilla custard recipe that I don't use because it gunks my coils this fast.  The FVT has been so awesome because it didn't.... Now it does. 
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on October 08, 2015, 10:21:48 PM
Maybe I'll open a damn ticket this weekend and ask them what the fuck is up.  Like what is the Madvapes Maxxxxxxxxxxxxxx vanilla and such.  Fucking dorks.  http://www.madvapes.com/advancedsearch/result/?cat=0&q=vanilla
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Blewt on October 08, 2015, 10:34:39 PM
I have 200ml of that plain vanilla extract of theirs.  It's not dark brown but it ain't the same.  I might mix up a small batch with it and EM and see how that goes.  I'm really hoping it's this absolute that's fucking up my coils. 
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on October 08, 2015, 10:52:50 PM
I went back a million posts just for you Blewt.  I've been on the Azure TA for quite a while, like my last half liter of juice perhaps.  I think it is about 80% as strong as the old green bulgarian.  If it doesn't clog my coils in cartos I cannot conceive of it doing so in an RBA, so whatever that means to your puzzle you are welcome because I forgot why I needed to know what TA I was using.


Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Blewt on October 08, 2015, 11:38:44 PM
Yeah.  I'm just hoping it isn't this dark French vanilla flavoring.  I gotta buy a fifth of everclear tomorrow.  I've been out for a while so I haven't diluted the azure. 
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on October 08, 2015, 11:55:18 PM
You could wish in one hand and shit in the other.  You already know it isn't the TA. 
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Blewt on October 09, 2015, 01:15:56 AM
Yeah. I know...
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on October 09, 2015, 07:28:15 AM
The humanity.  Mr Fucks isn't all that concerned here really.  Lately I've just been vaping any old shit sample or whatever I had laying around.  Plenty of that and reduces the number of objects in my house, another worthy goal.  I'm testing pretty much all the TFA flavors that have the word vanilla in them now plus the wack syrup from the dollar store, I think they'll have had their week rot soon and I'll let you know what I think of some of them here.  On my usual wildly unpredictable time schedule, of course.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Blewt on October 09, 2015, 12:53:16 PM
Bated breath.  As per usual. 

Gotta remember to get that Everclear.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on October 09, 2015, 12:59:18 PM
I'd use everclear to cut stuff, but I'd just drink it and always be out when I needed it.  Fuggit, I use PG and heat and shake before use to fix the separation.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Blewt on October 09, 2015, 01:08:42 PM
Full disclosure: I've never bought any PG at all.  I just buy the Humco VG locally and call it a day.  I should probably order some.  Can you buy it at a store anywhere?   I looked at a farm supply co-op once but the rednecks thought I was cookin drugs. 
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on October 09, 2015, 01:32:26 PM
I've never bought PG locally, though I hear most Tractor Supply may stock it, I know of no other plain retail source.  I think I last paid $20 a gallon shipped, $10 preimium but no penalty for fucking around hunting it and not finding it in town.  Seems like a place called Essential? may be a good mail source.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Kase on October 09, 2015, 01:53:56 PM
I got shit from there before. They do good. I had to order PG to make wax juice, cuz I don't keep it on hand. The only PG I use is in my PG nic base normally.
Title: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Blewt on October 09, 2015, 03:32:19 PM
Yeah.  I usually use the PG nic base but the last liter I got from MFS was VG and guess what... I didn't send it back.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on October 09, 2015, 04:05:02 PM
If you should wish to avoid conversation about ecigs plain PG can be and is used as pool antifreeze.  Cheaper and uncolored, you put it in the pipe places you are to lazy to evacuate water from completely when winterizing.  Rural places like livestock supply, feed and seed, anyplace that looks like a rancher would want to buy shit in there.  They use it on cows for something.  I never tried very hard, I just order the $20 gallon every once in a while.  Who cares. 
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Vatic vapor on October 10, 2015, 07:47:16 AM
I peeled off a prestone sticker and put it on a white gallon jug of PG from rts vapes just for yuks.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: beamrider on October 10, 2015, 09:52:28 PM
Essential Depot.  Right now they're doing some crazy shit, 2 gallons  PG and 2 gallons VG for 44bux I think.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: team420 on October 11, 2015, 10:17:14 AM
tractor supply. got a gallon of pg for $18 about 2 years ago.....  still got most of it left...
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: warbdan on October 11, 2015, 12:59:38 PM
Fuck, tapacrap's login server has been fucked for days and I can't remember my password. Lol

This is what I missed? Shoes and pg talk?
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Vatic vapor on October 11, 2015, 05:08:25 PM
Fuck, tapacrap's login server has been fucked for days and I can't remember my password. Lol

This is what I missed? Shoes and pg talk?

in other news, SpongeBob seems to be a hit in Meh hee koh

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Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Kase on October 13, 2015, 03:15:17 PM
Why do you always type Mexico out phonetically?
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: The REALac0j on October 13, 2015, 06:36:26 PM
I'll bet he talks like that IRL.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: KilgoreTrout on October 13, 2015, 06:46:44 PM
Yep.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on October 13, 2015, 07:33:33 PM
So, FVT #5 new flavor source trial,  TFA French Vanilla, and all other ingredients the same.  A solid wtf on the first puff, stabilized as a solid Meh.  Occasional spice note, too buttery, not vanilla enough, almost perfumy, and yet too damn dry as well.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Blewt on October 13, 2015, 09:35:48 PM
That doesn't sound promising.  Keep at it.

I dumped all of my 10ml bottles of MV plain vanilla extract flavor into one big bottle and I've had the lid off of it in the electric steeper (ultrasonic cleaner) with heat and sonicization going - trying to get the funky high alcohol notes out of this shit.  No luck yet.  It's still almost butterscotchy and acrid.  Trying to get it to mellow.  At least it's a nice pale yellow color and not sludge brown like my last FV order...

I have to get some Everclear tomorrow and try the other TA still.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: The REALac0j on October 13, 2015, 09:40:30 PM
That doesn't sound promising.  Keep at it.

I dumped all of my 10ml bottles of MV plain vanilla extract flavor into one big bottle and I've had the lid off of it in the electric steeper (ultrasonic cleaner) with heat and sonicization going - trying to get the funky high alcohol notes out of this shit.  No luck yet.  It's still almost butterscotchy and acrid.  Trying to get it to mellow.  At least it's a nice pale yellow color and not sludge brown like my last FV order...

I have to get some Everclear tomorrow and try the other TA still.

Trying to get rid of the high alcohol notes, so you can add Everclear?  Solid logic man.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Blewt on October 13, 2015, 10:22:57 PM
What in the actual fuck are you doing in a DIY thread?!?! 

The Everclear is to dilute the Tobacco Absolute.  The Vanilla Extract flavoring is harsher than Vatic's wife's favorite apron after one of her naked pierogi cooking marathons.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: The REALac0j on October 13, 2015, 10:32:36 PM
What in the actual fuck are you doing in a DIY thread?!?! 

The Everclear is to dilute the Tobacco Absolute.  The Vanilla Extract flavoring is harsher than Vatic's wife's favorite apron after one of her naked pierogi cooking marathons.

Water wont dilute it?
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on October 13, 2015, 10:38:04 PM
Too damn many possessives on that harshness description, Blewt.  A solid effort otherwise though.  I'm strangely calm in the face of losing my favorite flavor, I guess my fucks are simply stretched to their max.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Blewt on October 15, 2015, 04:26:56 PM
This is the plain MV vanilla extract after being in the heat/sonic bath on and off for two days.  It's darkened considerably, reduced by 110ml, and doesn't smell nearly as acrid.

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I'm going to let it keep going for another day.

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Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on October 15, 2015, 04:33:54 PM
Looks like you should just TITFA.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Kase on October 15, 2015, 04:48:30 PM
Can you set the temp on that thing? Is it at 470°? Would be great for making BHO ejuice.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Blewt on October 15, 2015, 04:50:56 PM
I had 200ml of the shit and time to kill while I was waiting for some other shit to happen.  Out of the box it was just gross.  It would have probably been ok after steeping for a month or two but I'm speeding up that process.  We'll see how it goes.

All I'm looking for is a palatable vanilla to go with the TA.  It's not like the MV FV is the best thing since sliced bread, it just goes really well with the TA.  Maybe I can shoehorn this shit into a serviceable substitute.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Kase on October 15, 2015, 05:01:34 PM
Am I invisible, you bastard? Hmmmmph
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on October 15, 2015, 05:29:17 PM
LOL.  Considering the palatable vanilla is the only other component, letting us know that's all you're looking for is kinda amusing.   Could be it needs a rusty nail in there and that might fix er up.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Blewt on October 15, 2015, 05:51:24 PM
Heh. I was typing while you posted that, Kase.  No. It's the cheap Harbor Freight $80 one.  It has heat on/off and 480 second timer.  Works great for a buncha shit.  I use it to speed steep juice and clean bearings etc.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Kase on October 15, 2015, 06:00:13 PM
I'd love one I could set at like 190 and just leave it for like two hours. Ya know
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on October 15, 2015, 08:31:39 PM
Um.  Yeah KT has it right.  All fagets.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: notmymonkeys on October 15, 2015, 08:58:14 PM
Am I invisible, you bastard? Hmmmmph

Just sometimes....happens to me too....
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Kase on October 15, 2015, 08:59:26 PM
So, anyway, what's happening MJ?  :cunnilingus moose:
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: notmymonkeys on October 15, 2015, 09:02:03 PM
So, anyway, what's happening MJ?  :cunnilingus moose:
:asshat:
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Kase on October 15, 2015, 09:02:50 PM
Hehehe :)
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: notmymonkeys on October 15, 2015, 10:14:22 PM
 
Hehehe :)

 :cunnilingus moose:
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Paradiso on October 16, 2015, 10:17:25 AM
I'd love one I could set at like 190 and just leave it for like two hours. Ya know

Google sous vide
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Kase on October 16, 2015, 10:24:16 AM
I was scared that was some kind of french shit eating video, but those actually look really neat  :D
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on October 16, 2015, 10:27:13 AM
I was gonna say there's double boilers and such, silly Kase.  If you feel like spending a couple grand, there's a restaurant thing called a baine marie (sp), big ol rectangular thing with temp controlled heat and water bath and a grate in the bottom, you keep metal serving pots of sauce hot in it all night so you don't have to heat per order.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Kase on October 16, 2015, 11:14:43 AM
I'm gonna have to come across another free jar of like 10 grams of wax before I'll care enough to look into it :D
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Blewt on October 16, 2015, 11:19:03 AM
Yep.  What Para said.  Where you put food in an airtight bag and drop it in the water at whatever temp you want.  Those machines aren't cheap though and they damn sure don't sell them at harbor freight.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on October 16, 2015, 12:12:08 PM
A double boiler is what you want for that, Kase, just a simple thing on the stove.  Big pot of boiling water, stainless bowl on top, voila, scorch free heat.  Will take longer but that's the trick for it.  You really like turning the wax into vape juice better?
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Kase on October 16, 2015, 12:28:45 PM
That's how I did it last time. Pan of water with a candy thermometer clipped on the side doing a double boil. I just thought it'd be cool to have a machine I could plug in somewhere other than the kitchen and just leave and go do something else for a long while.

I like the pg cut wax, but I don't have any kind of perfect recipe yet. The stuff they sell at the stores is better than mine and I can't figure out why. I just need a lot to do testing, and I don't have a lot at the moment.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on October 16, 2015, 01:20:01 PM
Hmmm.  Yeah, I've been thinking about that as the wax in raw form is inconvenient.  I also need some kind of fucking dictionary as to what all the freaky strain names signify.  To me it's just a name.  Sour Diesel, ok, sounds like it tastes like shit, so give me a bunch of that. :(
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Kase on October 16, 2015, 01:22:25 PM
It is just a name until you try it multiple times. Then you know what to expect. The names are stupid though and don't help differentiate them until you gain some familiarity with some favorites.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on October 16, 2015, 01:30:35 PM
Oh great.  But maybe the heat is the reason yours tastes different.  They may not be using heat when they make the juice, just mixing from it in a less solid state to start with.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Kase on October 16, 2015, 01:36:51 PM
Oh, it tastes fine. I just need to do it more concentrated next time, and heat it for longer. I dilluted it a little too much, so I have to take like 20 hits to get high instead of like 3-4.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on October 17, 2015, 03:27:52 AM
Now vaping #4 test, FVT made with TFA french vanilla creme.  Better than #5, but still not strong enough vanilla and a little marshmallowy.  Fuck if I know.  As usual, Mr Fucks really isn't all that interested in this figuring out syrup recipes.  It really seems like my TA taste isn't strong enough either, could be from the TA switch and I didn't notice it enough with the Madvapes French Vanilla.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Blewt on October 17, 2015, 03:42:01 AM
We've been catching unicorn farts this whole time and didn't even know. 
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: warbdan on October 17, 2015, 08:05:36 AM
I'd love one I could set at like 190 and just leave it for like two hours. Ya know
Get rice cooker or a crock pot.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Evelyn on October 17, 2015, 12:24:31 PM


BTW - while double boilers are awesome, you don't necessarily need to buy one.  A glass or ceramic bowl (preferable slightly larger in diameter than the pot) set on a pot of simmering water works really well.  For smaller things - I put my 4 cup Pyrex measuring cup in a small fry-pan with water at simmer. 

Of course - it's almost 1:30 and all I'v had is a small glass of lemonade and half a cup of coffee - so clearly i'm thinking in terms of FOOD.  There is plenty to food in the house - I just haven't gone to get it and eat it.  :Facepalm:
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: notmymonkeys on October 17, 2015, 10:47:35 PM
Hmmm.  Yeah, I've been thinking about that as the wax in raw form is inconvenient.  I also need some kind of fucking dictionary as to what all the freaky strain names signify.  To me it's just a name.  Sour Diesel, ok, sounds like it tastes like shit, so give me a bunch of that. :(

https://www.leafly.com/start-exploring

Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Kase on October 17, 2015, 11:00:37 PM
I like the % labels we have here. Let's you look past the confusing and dumb names and just get the strength you want.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: notmymonkeys on October 17, 2015, 11:29:05 PM
I like the % labels we have here. Let's you look past the confusing and dumb names and just get the strength you want.

What do I know? I just found it interesting and liked the breakdown.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Kase on October 17, 2015, 11:33:00 PM
Oh no no, I look at that site too when I get some stuff that I've never heard of and look it up to see what people think and how mine stacks up.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: notmymonkeys on October 17, 2015, 11:51:27 PM
Oh no no, I look at that site too when I get some stuff that I've never heard of and look it up to see what people think and how mine stacks up.

Helpful for noobs like some of ...us? ;)
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Kase on October 18, 2015, 12:03:36 AM
Me too, my point is the names are confusing and sorta lame :)
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: notmymonkeys on October 18, 2015, 12:13:11 AM
Me too, my point is the names are confusing and sorta lame :)

Gotta agree with you there.....
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Kase on October 18, 2015, 12:29:34 AM
I mostly just say it's good or it's bad. Based pretty much on thc content. I like indica, sativa, and hybrids. All weeds are welcome in my home jerk shack :D
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on October 18, 2015, 03:29:11 AM
Thanks for the site.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: notmymonkeys on October 18, 2015, 04:00:21 AM
I mostly just say it's good or it's bad. Based pretty much on thc content. I like indica, sativa, and hybrids. All weeds are welcome in my home jerk shack :D

What's the old saying: "Even a bad BJ is good." ?  :coolsmiley:


Thanks for the site.

De nada, Seņor
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Blewt on October 18, 2015, 06:42:43 AM
I've had one or two BJs where I made her just stop.  The funniest one is still the Big Red gum in my pubes though. 
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: junquedujour on October 19, 2015, 06:33:42 AM
all the ecig vanillas suck except for top vapor. top vapor seems to have an ever-so-slight clove zing to it.

i just tasted a drop of hangsens then a drop of the top vapor. hangsens is just so buttery. yuck. the top vapor really kinda reminds me of the watkins or mexican vanilla. no buttery undertone at all.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on October 19, 2015, 08:28:09 AM
I seem to have forgotten  to open a ticket to ask MV where their FV and FVT disappeared to.  Imagine that, if I don't have it on a list it's as gone as Vatic's self-respect.  Being old blows.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Blewt on October 19, 2015, 01:20:27 PM
I might have to try that Top Vapor, Junque.  I've got a bottle of the evaporated MV plain vanilla VT steeping now.  I'm gonna test it today or tomorrow.  I'm not expecting much.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on October 19, 2015, 09:03:39 PM
Top vapor french vanilla is what isn't even on their site anymore.  Are you taking more drugs or less?
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Blewt on October 19, 2015, 09:33:57 PM
Ah.  MV = Top Vapor. Lame. I've never paid attention to what MV calls it. 
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on October 19, 2015, 09:49:05 PM
Not as lame as the people that have done their website for them.  I mean, how do you pick a moron that has no fucking idea how to make a user-friendly ecommerce site THREE times?  Go play with their search box.  I double dog dare ya.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Kase on October 19, 2015, 10:11:16 PM
I used to like a berry flavored top vapor. Fuck buying juice though
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on October 19, 2015, 10:51:20 PM
They used to sell just the flavoring too Kase.  But the site is fucking unbearable now and neither the flavor we determined they were using or the whole juice are there. 
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Kase on October 19, 2015, 11:20:12 PM
I can't remember why but they fucked something up for me and I swore em off forever. That was like 4 years ago, and even though I can't remember why, I hold a mean grudge. Fuck Madvapes i their motherfucking assholes.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Blewt on October 20, 2015, 09:18:44 AM
Word.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on October 20, 2015, 12:45:10 PM
If I held grudges with every company I'd ever had a problem with I'd be homeless and starving by now.  When you guys stop fucking things up occasionally yourselves you can probably hold everybody to your perfect standard.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Kase on October 20, 2015, 12:59:26 PM
If I held grudges with every company I'd ever had a problem with I'd be homeless and starving by now.  When you guys stop fucking things up occasionally yourselves you can probably hold everybody to your perfect standard.

I am obviously not starving, lol. But I can very easily not shop at Madvapes and a handful of other places I've sworn off forever.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on October 20, 2015, 01:15:33 PM
I am obviously not starving, lol. But I can very easily not shop at Madvapes and a handful of other places I've sworn off forever.

Go ahead and age about 20 more years and it'll be everyplace.  You'll have been screwed at least once by everyone.  There's a couple places that are clusterfuck for me every time, so absolutely they are avoided as much as possible.  But sometimes they can't be. 
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Kase on October 20, 2015, 01:24:49 PM
It takes a lot to make me mad enough for a lifetime swear off. Madvapes is probably the only e cig store that's on the list and a couple of restaurants maybe.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Blewt on October 20, 2015, 01:25:16 PM
Sometimes I fuck myself over at a place so bad I never go back.  There was a bar here, a nice fancy place to eat but the bar stayed open pretty late, that I went to one night after another bar closed and I was so shitfaced I puked all over my pantsleg and on the floor right in front of the bar.  I never went back.  People would be like "Hey! Let's go to ______!  It's fucking awesome!" and I'd be like "Nah... that place is fucking lame."

Thankfully it closed recently.  I can go back there now when it reopens as something else.  So that's pretty cool.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on October 20, 2015, 01:41:04 PM
I'd have skipped a couple weeks and gone back Blewt.  I've fucked up plenty worse than that and returned.  You think they've never seen that before?  You just laugh it off with any of the people that remember.
Title: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Blewt on October 20, 2015, 01:57:41 PM
I probably should've.  I just kinda enjoyed my inside joke with myself bad mouthing an awesome place just because I was an idiot. 

Also, this mix with the MV plain vanilla is doable after reducing it by half before using it in the same ratio as the FV flavoring.  It's not nearly as twangy/acrid.  With a bit more steeping it might even smooth out more.  I like the fact that it's not brown as swamp water right after mixing.  This dark FV is gunking my coils after three days bad.  Before I could go two weeks with a hemp wick no problem.

ETA:  this is after 3-4 days

(http://spaceciggysforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimages.tapatalk-cdn.com%2F15%2F10%2F20%2F4b41aa5eb6ac145e0e6e269ccb5b08ec.jpg&hash=23c1fabd7f30e434629569fecc79d613)
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: KilgoreTrout on October 20, 2015, 08:26:48 PM
Madvapes website really does suck. I remember going there many months ago and thinking "how the fuck could they make it worse?"
I used to buy dekang desert ship there a lot. I wonder if they still have it?
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Kase on October 20, 2015, 08:29:53 PM
Omfg Blewt, that looks like one of my moms coils!
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Blewt on October 20, 2015, 09:59:09 PM
Dude. That's maybe two tankfulls through a Gayfun, so like a little over 8 ml maybe.  12 at the most.  It's ridiculous.   Hemp too.  This syrup is almost unvaporable. 

I'm trying the plain vanilla/TA mix right now and it's only ok.  The coils will probably last a lot longer though. 
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on October 20, 2015, 10:03:25 PM
Blewt, I backed off of my criticism some on my #4 TFA French Vanilla creme.  With some more TA and a skosh more flavor it may be doable.  I just killed the last of it, on to #3.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Blewt on October 20, 2015, 10:30:49 PM
Let me know if it gunks your carto fast or not.  That's becoming a big deal to me.  I don't mind dry burning but I like to be able to go at least a week between burns. 
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on October 20, 2015, 10:48:44 PM
My cartos generally flood out first and I don't dissect them, but I'll pull this one and take a look as I want to change my tank caps at the moment, so I'm hasslin anyway.  Magnana, tired tonight, need to crash earlier than 2:30 so I can do a weeks work tomorrow.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on October 22, 2015, 01:03:21 AM
#4 TFA french vanilla creme.  I'd say not a gunker.

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-7S3pqYjkoaA/Vih7R7HwyVI/AAAAAAAAVpc/AqClvjUWK8s/s640-Ic42/IMG_20151022_0058285_rewind.jpg)
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on October 22, 2015, 01:06:30 AM
I'm vaping #3 now, made with TFA french vanilla deluxe.  This might be awfully damn close to the Madvapes french vanilla that is no more.  It is good.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Blewt on October 22, 2015, 07:50:43 AM
Hmmmmm.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on October 22, 2015, 07:40:03 PM
Gimme a week more hmmmboy.  I'm sure the syrup I bought at the dollar store is fail so.....  Just got one more TFA after this.  I'm really working from memory here, though, as I am completely fucking out out out of the MV french vanilla.  I meant to save some but I fucked that up somehow.  Also god knows what will happen when you drown it in your faget straight VG mix.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on October 22, 2015, 07:50:09 PM
Oh, and I just opened a ticket with Madvapes asking them wtf is up.  There was a place to attach a file, I was tempted to upload a meme or a picture of Dopey's dick, but I suppressed the urge.

Did any of you fuckers hit that search link I posted the other day?  It's coming back with 6 hits now, seems like there were only 5 the other day.

http://www.madvapes.com/advancedsearch/result/?cat=0&q=vanilla
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Blewt on October 22, 2015, 09:55:36 PM
I've been through about 6-8 ml of this MV vanilla mix and it's the right color and hasn't gunked my coils.  After letting it evaporate for three fucking days it's usable.  I want to try the TFA stuff too though.  Especially if we can work out a deal with them like Kase has.  A dollar an oz is tits.

I have a bunch of old FV bottles with a tiny bit in them.  It smells like vanilla cake batter.  Almost like fresh cupcakes.  Not fake like the Capella's Cake Batter though.  That shit'll gunk a coil fast as fuck.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on October 22, 2015, 10:11:21 PM
Oh I think I have the wholesale deal there too, at TFA.  And it's as easy as Kase says.  You just ask and they do it, forget how.  I don't remember it as THAT cheap, but maybe things have changed...  I'm not buying any more flavor yet, I'm still beating the bushes. 
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Kase on October 22, 2015, 10:18:25 PM
A dollar an oz on some stuff if you do 16 at a time.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on October 22, 2015, 10:23:31 PM
That could be it.  Don't think I ever committed beyond 4 oz with them.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Kase on October 22, 2015, 10:29:31 PM
They've been the best for me. So I get 4 oz and up of favorites.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on October 22, 2015, 10:30:59 PM
Oh I think they are great.  I just don't buy that much from them.  I think that is where I used to get my TA.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Blewt on October 22, 2015, 10:47:12 PM
Well see if they have a 16 oz bottle of the shit that tastes like the MV FV and I'm in.  I'll even go full retard like Kase and start stove piping 10 ml of syrup a day just cause I fucking can!
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Kase on October 23, 2015, 12:07:32 AM
I put away almost 15 ml today!
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Blewt on October 23, 2015, 09:45:14 AM
See?  I rest my Kase.   :D

Once I'm sitting on 16 oz of vanilla and I'm happy with my TA, I won't feel like I have to conserve.  Right now I'm trying to stay under 4 ml a day.  That's hard at 30W.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Kase on October 23, 2015, 09:46:41 AM
I haven't felt like I had to conserve since 2009.

Tomorrow is my 6 year mark without even ONE cigarette. Not one puff. Nada. Zilch.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: junquedujour on October 23, 2015, 09:58:59 AM

i just googled it (supreme flavors extracts french vanilla madvapes) and this came up:

http://www.madvapes.com/10-ml-16mg-8165.html

says it is in stock.

i tried "french vanilla" on madvapes website and nothing came up.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: junquedujour on October 23, 2015, 10:01:31 AM
damn. just realized it says vanilla - not french vanilla.

never mind.
carry on.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Blewt on October 23, 2015, 11:08:02 AM
I took 200 ml of the stuff you just posted and reduced it down to around 100 ml just to make it palatable.  From MV it is nasty as hell. 

I did the same thing you did and bought 20 bottles of the shit before I realized my mistake.  I emailed them and said "oops!  wrong shit!" and they said "too bad, motherfucker! read the fine print!", so I got stuck with the vile shit.  I'm making it work though.  It's been ok with enough TA mixed in.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: junquedujour on October 23, 2015, 11:10:41 AM
erased!

such a fuzzy morning. confused again.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Kase on October 23, 2015, 11:11:14 AM
It seems like a lot of work for brown juice :D
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Paradiso on October 23, 2015, 11:12:08 AM
I bet that's what you said after you blew the Somalian...
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Blewt on October 23, 2015, 11:25:02 AM
That's nasty.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Kase on October 23, 2015, 11:25:43 AM
Hey, some guys like brown juice.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Blewt on October 23, 2015, 11:43:05 AM
I make a truly delicious amber syrup given the right ingredients to work with.  Unfortunately the Universe has decided that it doesn't want me to make my delicious amber syrup anymore.  Fuck Madvapes.  I hate being dependent on fly-by-night-online-vapetrash vendors.

Yes, I'm copyrighting vapetrash.

ETA: :P
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on October 23, 2015, 01:28:24 PM
Goddamn.  As bad as my work email.  I'm checking into it you lazy fucks.  Go find a meeting to keep yourselves busy.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Blewt on October 23, 2015, 02:25:11 PM
I'll be sending you a new public PGP key from my vapetrash email addy very soon. 
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on October 23, 2015, 02:55:48 PM
Perhaps I've missed the joke.  It's that kinda day.  Lookit the email I just got tho.....

Thank you for contacting MadVapes! I have been told that they are not discontinued but I cannot find them on the website myself. I am waiting back for an answer from the Juice Lab directly. I will send you an email once I know a definite answer.

Thank you!

Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Kase on October 23, 2015, 03:14:02 PM
Haha, you said tho like 420
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on October 23, 2015, 03:27:32 PM
I don't have to speak out loud when I post, I can type with my mouth closed.   :asslick:
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Blewt on October 23, 2015, 03:30:52 PM
Fonetics r fun.

I bought the vapetrash.com domain a couple of hours ago because fuck it.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Kase on October 23, 2015, 03:35:07 PM
You should make it an e cig store that only sells used equipment. Like old cartos and 510 atomizers.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Paradiso on October 23, 2015, 03:39:00 PM
That would be mj's-vapetrash.com
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Blewt on October 23, 2015, 03:54:19 PM
It can be whatever we want!  Vape porn.  Used cartos. Ohio vapers in the wild (pictures of Vatic)... The sky's the limit!
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Kase on October 23, 2015, 03:56:05 PM
This is exciting.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on October 23, 2015, 04:01:23 PM
.com, .net, .buttfuck

The extensions are dumber than shit just like file extensions.  If you need something after a dot to tell you what the fuck it is you got no business touching it.  Don't even get me started on code pages and delimited files.  Imma kill the next motherfucker that opens a CSV in excel and says the file is wrong because the numbers are all in exponential notation.  Some dumbshit 'fixed' a file in notepad the other day, it then had two carriage returns per line.  3/4 of a day to look at that motherfucking mess and explain that the process worked fine until a person touched it.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Blewt on October 23, 2015, 04:01:57 PM
We need a logo. 
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Blewt on October 23, 2015, 04:03:16 PM
I wonder if Mal would do some sexy modeling. 
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on October 23, 2015, 04:03:55 PM
As soon as you get this here motherfucker running TLS I'll make you one.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Kase on October 23, 2015, 04:10:40 PM
I got the perfect logo. Maybe add a gun and a chinese guy.

(http://spaceciggysforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.swim.org.vt.edu%2Fimages%2Fvt%2520vector.png&hash=c0e49e3df98a281a61cef5ba0c8b1d54)
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Blewt on October 23, 2015, 04:17:13 PM
Did you just steal that from Virginia Tech?
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Kase on October 23, 2015, 04:23:59 PM
No  :)
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on October 23, 2015, 04:25:08 PM
Vaping is fucking stupid.  Put that domain up for auction immediately.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Blewt on October 23, 2015, 04:31:36 PM
Vapers who vape are trashy. Hence the domain.  Fuck those guys. 
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on October 23, 2015, 04:32:50 PM
I almost videoed this tard at the ccasino the other night.  He was dripping and playing a slot machine.  He looked like the biggest doofus in the place.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Blewt on October 23, 2015, 04:36:42 PM
Zactly.  Vapetrash in the wild.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Evelyn on October 23, 2015, 04:44:11 PM
 :Facepalm:  :jawdrop:  :Facepalm:

Sounds pretty gross.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on October 23, 2015, 05:39:23 PM
It was magnadorky too.  Looked like the dude had a clear mini plastic ketchup bottle of juice in one hand, and something that looked like a crude Denali with an RDA  on it.  Just walking around being a dork dripping and playing dragon smokie, then playing at some machines and playing dragon smokie.  I expected him to start waving the shit around like it was a sparkler.  Shockingly, he was an ugly sumbitch and was not accompanied by a female, just another dork.  Oh yeah, almost forgot they were sharing it....
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Kase on October 23, 2015, 05:58:22 PM
Sharing? LOL
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on October 23, 2015, 06:03:35 PM
I was just thinking about how I could whup my phone out and prop it where I could film it when they left.  They musta blew their lawn mowing money real fast.  They were in their twenties.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Blewt on October 23, 2015, 06:10:50 PM
Fuuuuuuuuuuuu...  That's the epitome of vapetrash.  Sharing?!?!  This deserves a thread. 
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Paradiso on October 23, 2015, 06:51:02 PM
I just let vapingskanks.com go. It's probably still available...
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Blewt on October 23, 2015, 06:57:56 PM
Ooooo. That one's not bad.  A little too specific though. 
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Evelyn on October 23, 2015, 08:20:52 PM

I'm mildly nauseated.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on October 25, 2015, 05:55:20 PM
Vaping number 2 test now.  TFA vanilla custard.  Good, similar to number 3, but not quite as good.  No further word back from Madvapes yet on the original flavor.  Anyway, I feel like #2 would totally fly given a little higher ratio than what I've been using if Madvapes doesn't get their shit together for us.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: warbdan on October 26, 2015, 06:33:18 AM
Try the vanilla swirl. It's similar to custard but not as custardly. The MV fvt kinda has a custard note too though.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on October 26, 2015, 09:39:41 PM
LOL.  Guess who sent me the vanilla custard flavor, warb?  I wonder how long ago that was.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on November 03, 2015, 10:45:46 PM
Vaping number 1 test now.  Made with actual fucking dollar store syrup.

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-BcOfuY7RxOE/VbbetOKoV-I/AAAAAAAAVYE/kcV0yDb88Qg/s640-Ic42/IMG_0608.jpg)

Vanilla, very light, a little sugary but not awful. 

Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on November 03, 2015, 10:51:56 PM
Ok, recap.

#1 - Orchard Park french vanilla syrup from dollar tree -  Vanilla, very light, a little sugary but not awful.
#2 - TFA Vanilla Custard - Good, similar to number 3, but not quite as good.
#3 - TFA French Vanilla Deluxe - This might be awfully damn close to the Madvapes french vanilla that is no more.  It is good.
#4 - TFA French Vanilla Creme - not strong enough vanilla and a little marshmallowy.  With some more TA and a skosh more flavor it may be doable.
#5 - TFA French Vanilla -  solid wtf on the first puff, stabilized as a solid Meh.  Occasional spice note, too buttery, not vanilla enough, almost perfumy, and yet too damn dry as well.

2, 3, or 4 would be close enough for my shitty taste buds.  If I was to order now I think I'd try #3 again, the only one I have any left from is #1.

I'm still trying to get some decent answers back from Madvapes.  Blewt, you feel like trying a jostle in their forum over at ECF?  Maybe get yourself banned again, kill a couple birds with one stone?
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: warbdan on November 04, 2015, 05:39:59 AM
LOL.  Guess who sent me the vanilla custard flavor, warb?  I wonder how long ago that was.
Oh my fuck! You still have that? Lol
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on November 28, 2015, 10:43:08 PM
Oh my fuck! You still have that? Lol

I know.  It isn't lack of focus.  Just too many goddamn things to do.  This jumped in the priority list considerably, I still have shit to do on my list from 2003.  I've  really started to understand why people abandon civilization and live in shacks in the mountains.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Blewt on November 29, 2015, 09:10:17 AM
So, should I order some vanilla flavoring?  Have you cracked this nut yet, mj?
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Evelyn on November 29, 2015, 11:36:34 AM

Why did madvapes stop making French Vanilla?  They really do suck.  :fkoff:
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on November 29, 2015, 11:54:56 AM
I ordered I think 120 mls of #3 - TFA French Vanilla Deluxe last night, Blewt.  I'm using the Azure TA and will probably step up the concentration on it as well in my new adjusted recipe.  I'm tired of fucking with it.  If it works out well enough after I vape a few hundred milliliters I'm just going to lay in a lifetime supply of both, in addition to VG and PG. 

ETA Oh, and lifetime supply of nic, already had lifetime supply of it, must double or more if wife is going to be vaping too.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on January 16, 2016, 07:31:27 AM
They have it again:

https://shop.perfumersapprentice.com/p-6609-tobacco-absolute-5.aspx?keyword=tobacco+absolute

But Azure still has theirs too:

http://www.azurevaping.com/puretobaccoabsolute.html
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Blewt on January 16, 2016, 12:08:48 PM
I just picked up a new fifth of Everclear, so I turned my 15ml bottle of Blue Mist into 150ml of 10% TA solution.  I think I'm set for a while.  It seems to be a little stronger/greener than the non-Bulgarian DIY shop stuff. 
Title: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on January 16, 2016, 03:04:26 PM
You'll distill the shit tho practicallly, ya freak. 


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Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: KilgoreTrout on January 16, 2016, 08:58:21 PM
I just vape hangsen ry4. Fuck it.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on January 16, 2016, 09:36:01 PM
You fagets are being dense. TFA\TPA is where EVERYBODY used to get TA.  They didn't have any for a YEAR.  They do again.  FML.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: KilgoreTrout on January 16, 2016, 09:38:30 PM
I added some ta to my last batch of juice and didn't really like it.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on January 16, 2016, 09:39:19 PM
Well I don't care about that.  I haven't vaped cheap shit China juice since 2010.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on January 22, 2016, 11:34:54 PM
So the batch came out alright except the Azure Ta.  Tripled it, still not strong enough.,,


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Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: KilgoreTrout on January 22, 2016, 11:46:59 PM
Well I don't care about that.  I haven't vaped cheap shit China juice since 2010.
Dollar store vanilla flavoring?
Fuck you, mj. Fuck you hard.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on January 23, 2016, 12:11:14 AM
Heh.  I didn't actually use that in my picked  batch.  But it was suprisingly not bad...


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Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on January 25, 2016, 05:59:43 AM
I wrote the TPA folks an email about this shit.  I probably won't tell any of y'all what the reply is.    :asslick:
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: junquedujour on January 25, 2016, 07:02:21 AM
i got a sample of this quite some time back:
http://www.edenbotanicals.com/tobacco-absolute.html

i liked the smell but couldn't get it to break down. maybe i should have nuked ... like i *think* the instructions on ecf said to do. no matter. glad i only got a sample.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Cappadoc on January 25, 2016, 10:37:26 PM
I'm using the shit from one stop diy shop.
Might taste good, might not. I just vape it.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on January 25, 2016, 10:46:48 PM
You wouldn't be picking up on the word sanity in teh thread title there, would ya doc?  It's true, you really never can go home again. 
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Blewt on January 25, 2016, 11:26:37 PM
I think I like the Blue Mist a little better.  It seems stronger.  Gotta back down on my next mix.

Still wishing I had that good vanilla again...
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on January 25, 2016, 11:35:48 PM
We could be a little off on our scientific method, Blewt.  That's happened a couple times.  I crankied at at least 2 people today about the unavailability of the good vanilla.  My next move there is prolly to stop wanting it entirely, so they will get a whole bunch in stock.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on January 29, 2016, 11:50:20 PM
I'm just going to randomly select something and order it.  I need to get all this bullshit done so I can focus on my coloring.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: notmymonkeys on January 30, 2016, 03:35:37 AM
....I've got the perfect page for you....what are your favorite colors?

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Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on January 30, 2016, 11:34:11 AM
Nice catch.  Red and black. 
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on March 03, 2016, 02:18:21 PM
I bought an ounce of the Eden Botanicals TA, it broke down fine in everclear.  New test batch of FVT.  I'd almost forgotten what it tasted like.

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/vjib08-uU5bAyd-psqzoKUynZb_LZOByUK1QyWndz2YWURYc9pBFc3HLtx2Nz3M-xsnO4vRhcQm0hjJd24hNoS5eNK-kVwRA-yDLHQvcy0hDdhBmw_BM1C6ZnLKW7LTQyvxoTzt28iktkpchAtITfoqenM3kYy6Zaog4HPYzvnd-dZ5_KC5YFlRL30X7rky4zsK5zEk9usmjukQq4rqNiezok2oTEwttaoCSen4TDO7VNsg02tYFXGfHa63EUz1WYF3lvf72_UX21cVMcELpcjuMMYAuomzfM5cpvbMzv29Y390Lwyc1trChWArfHFgmjxPwVo2wKuqiqYdbIaS9NuVSWygIBbruOm9Lw6T1aYuH240-GEDzD6btKz3VdnwaV53PZee07pJQSsu49ALeJUSNeMCkpMSKfh0KwDhEecQS5oW_gELIReL6AbiblC7UNa4RggWv9q5kcbtOUmX7k8agXw0Ej_MKkY6Hvrq1ERzx3uLaZ0xPfMXX2Iv52-yfUm6Q6UF4NSliXH0bizXe_uiRsEMXSjrUCqKCjgzd8vPTMXPFyhQ2HgALpY4Ue86yjnfA=w883-h662-no)
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: junquedujour on March 03, 2016, 02:42:58 PM
your eden botanical wasn't green at all, huh? mine was greenish.  i ended up not using it cuz it never did break down.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on March 03, 2016, 03:03:06 PM
I don't think so, but I did a dump into an amber colored bottle immediately.  Beats hell out of me what they sent you, I got something fairly liquid and basically black-brown.  Also stanky as hell as wished, but still doesn't seem as strong as what I used to get.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Blewt on March 03, 2016, 09:06:29 PM
That color looks perfect. What vanilla are you using?  I hate all of my vanillas.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: KilgoreTrout on March 03, 2016, 09:09:43 PM
That color looks perfect. What vanilla are you using?  I hate all of my vanillas.
That's so racist.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on March 03, 2016, 11:18:48 PM
It's supposed to be the real madvapes french vanilla flavor.  But hell if I can taste if it's right anymore, it's been so long since I had the actual juice.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Blewt on March 04, 2016, 08:29:24 AM
Well, damn. I've been out of the real stuff for a while.  The 200ml of dark shit mv sent me is total shit.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on March 04, 2016, 10:59:04 AM
Yeah.  This seems ok.  I had mamu order me a bunch from their wholesale site.  Who knows when they will figure out where it is for the other site.


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Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Kase on March 04, 2016, 01:39:27 PM
Dark juice, yummmmm.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on March 06, 2016, 10:30:05 PM
Yeah, I nailed it, just needed a week to spoil.  It's not really one of those sugary bitches unless Blewt makes it with the wrong stuff like usual.  My recipe #4 is still standing and tastes great today.  It prolly takes a week to degrade a coil minimum, that's about how long I usually ran a carto.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Blewt on March 07, 2016, 01:19:47 AM
Ok, so you're telling me I have to go bug mamu to get the good shit now? Great...
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on March 07, 2016, 12:17:09 PM
Don't shoot the messenger.  Do I seem like the person doing a bad job selling the product or somebody that is sick of trying to tell a small company to give him the product and TAKE HIS FUCKING MONEY!

I got tired of screwing with Madvapes to find their own ass and asked mamu to order me a liter if she could find it on the wholesale site.  Can kicked down road 5 years.  Adult prioritization can be irritating, huh?
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Kase on March 07, 2016, 12:21:02 PM
I wonder if it's even as good as you guys think that you remember it being. I wonder if you aren't more in love with the search than the thing you are searching for.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on March 07, 2016, 12:25:20 PM
You're missing the point.  I've constructed my perception of reality to put a 1 in the win column for my war in getting my old familiar tasting juice back.  It doesn't matter if other people think its any good at all.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Kase on March 07, 2016, 12:29:18 PM
I'm not saying my opinion or anyone else's matters, I'm saying lots of times people in general look back to something long removed through rose colored glasses. Like an old car or discarded lover.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on March 07, 2016, 12:37:40 PM
Totally agree.  Not quite a glory days level thing here, I like other flavors and was about to give up screwing with it, I decided to give it one more try by siccing grandma on them.  It's pretty much the same juice I had before.  We've never really figured out what makes this particular french vanilla not a coil gunker AND taste pretty good too.  That's mostly why we care, pretty much all the other similar flavorings, even if they taste almost the same are very sugary I guess.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Blewt on March 07, 2016, 12:54:06 PM
EVERY OTHER VANILLA IS SHIT!!!!!
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: junquedujour on March 23, 2016, 08:20:20 AM
I rarely take these Sanuks off. Note sleeping smug fucking dog in background.  Fuck her.

just for Blewt:

recycling flip-flops -

Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Blewt on March 23, 2016, 09:08:49 AM
Sweet.  I wear a 9.5 but a 10 would probably work. Manly colors if you've got em.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: notmymonkeys on March 23, 2016, 09:16:05 AM
just for Blewt:

recycling flip-flops -

Nice!!!!  Any instructions? Those would be perfect for "Korean house shoes"
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: junquedujour on March 23, 2016, 09:42:29 AM
Sweet.  I wear a 9.5 but a 10 would probably work. Manly colors if you've got em.
what? nothing wrong with confetti shoes. just showing a li'l tinge of your effeminate side. 


Gabby, other than the pics, this was the only instruction that was included in the post. here is the original fb post i saw:
https://m.facebook.com/1749120555324778/albums/1753869178183249/?ref=m_notif&notif_t=like
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: junquedujour on March 23, 2016, 09:44:47 AM
give me some time to look, cuz i do have a basic sole pattern that can also be crocheted so you don't have to use flip-flops. 
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: notmymonkeys on March 23, 2016, 10:12:45 AM
Thanks, Junque!

I want the flip flop sole....I have all kinds of slipper socks....I just like the idea of repurposing a pair of plain black flip flops I have. :)
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: junquedujour on March 23, 2016, 10:19:02 AM
the images show using the crochet hook to pierce the sole. seems like that would tear up the sole and possibly break thru. i would use a needle or maybe an ice pick.

in case you change your mind about the crocheted sole, here's the google search for some various shaped soles:   www.google.com/search?q=adult+crochet+sole+pattern&biw=1002&bih=476&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi8y56ajNfLAhXJm4MKHdKHAW8Q_AUIBygC

Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: notmymonkeys on March 23, 2016, 10:22:47 AM
Nice link....I'm still a noob level at crochet but I always keep track of stuff I can work on when I find my ambition again. :D

Thanks again, Junque!
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: junquedujour on March 23, 2016, 08:46:21 PM
learning from diagram patterns is so much easier than text patterns. with diagram, it does not matter what the original pattern language is, generally.

i think we are going to get a huge thunderstorm here in about 10 minutes. sweet!
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: mj on March 23, 2016, 10:12:33 PM
Blewt needs manly colors?  Nah.  Pink bunny slippers.
Title: Re: In pursuit of FVT clone measurement sanity
Post by: Blewt on March 23, 2016, 11:26:36 PM
Don't get it twisted. I would still be dead sexy in pink bunny ears knitted slippers. I was just sayin if I had a choice...